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What are the best bindings of all time?

post #1 of 19
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Hey everyone! So what do u think the best bindings of all time are???? For me its the LINE Reactor binding. Sickkkkkk.
post #2 of 19
Best: Anything Tyrolia's made in the last 4 years.
Never pre-released, always got out when I wanted to.

Worst: Anything Salomon's made in the last 6 years.
Every pair I've owned since about '98 (4 pairs) has had problems with the wing adjustment screw losening over the course of the season. Got to keep on top of it or you get some serious lateral play happening.

Can't comment on anything else becaue that's all I've really skiied. Put a couple months on a pair of Atomic 614s this summer, wasn't too impressed. The heel release on one came out of its "track" and I couldn't get out of my binding..

I heard that marker's been putting out a solid product over the last few years.
post #3 of 19
this will cause more fur to fly than PMTS
post #4 of 19
wow... I think I just saw the words tyrollia and good in the same sentance :

Anyway... I really think that the Look Pivot/Rossi Axial (the same binding) are the best. I have never see them fail.

The worst are the new atomic bindings. Everyone I ve talked to including some atomic dealers says they are not a good binding at all.

duke
post #5 of 19
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Originally posted by duke:

The worst are the new atomic bindings. Everyone I ve talked to including some atomic dealers says they are not a good binding at all.

duke
As a Marker pro rep I get fairly concerned when I read things like this.

"Not a good binding at all"

Is there some way to quantify this?

I'm going to coin a new accronym

MSSPKS

Maximum stupid stuff per key stroke
post #6 of 19
Leather straps!

No wait, Cubco or Americana bindings!

Just kidding - I don't think I can say what's the best but I went through 2 pair or Atomic Race 614s in 2 years. 1 the plate cracked under the binding and the other had a critical pre-release problem no matter how high I turned it up. Not recommended.

The Rossi power race axials are popular, heard good things about them. I believe these are made by Look and/or Geze.

Markers are generally regarded as a good product too.

Just my $0.02

[ November 08, 2003, 12:23 PM: Message edited by: Gate Crasher ]
post #7 of 19
Marker Speedpoint bindings and Rossi Demo bindings are terrible. In recent history i have only had one pair of speedpoints stay on my feet for more than half of a run. The fact that they are constantly pre-releasing makes it very difficult to demo skis. Last season while putting a few new Volants through their paces i skied on one ski more than i skied on two i think... marker speed points again. This kind of problem does not however cross over into their regular retail bindings thankfully.
Later
GREG
post #8 of 19
I've had good luck with both Marker and Solomon. I have no complaints. When and if anything has gone wrong both companies have been great about fixing it.
post #9 of 19
LOOK of course . This is all time binding from the begining . Period.
post #10 of 19
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Originally posted by Maverick Skier:
Hey everyone! So what do u think the best bindings of all time are???? For me its the LINE Reactor binding. Sickkkkkk.
Bro! Brah! Blah!! Blah!!!

Do you mean sick like, "Whoa, dude, hella awesome" or like, "sick from their lame SARS excuse for not shipping bindings this year?"

Look at the record for Line bindings: So late to market in their inaugural year some shops canceled their orders; broken in fairly large numbers; supposedly not shipping this year because of SARS in Asia, although there haven't been any cases of SARS for months, and with all the goods produced in Asia I haven't heard of any other similar situations. If anyone's heard of any other cases like this I'd like to know.

Seems like it could be a good concept, and I wish them luck, but to call it anything but a failure so far is naive optimism, and to call it the best binding of all time ... what the hell are you high on and can I have some? I wish I was able to so thoroughly tune out reality.

[ November 08, 2003, 05:28 PM: Message edited by: Ugli Pupferknick ]
post #11 of 19
I believe the reason for not shipping the LINE bindings is because they were death traps, and the ones that were released were all recalled. Merely looking that them or stepping into them would cause your tibfib to suddenly fracture.
post #12 of 19
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Originally posted by CantDog:
I believe the reason for not shipping the LINE bindings is because they were death traps, and the ones that were released were all recalled. Merely looking that them or stepping into them would cause your tibfib to suddenly fracture.
Line bindings have no track record. The few I saw were in pieces on the landings in the park. Depending on your weight (i weight in at 205, raced at UVM, Raced fis b in europe and do not like to come out) any companies race spring works great. Remember the weight restriction. I ski on about an 18 din. THese bindings all have metal housing and are very burly.
NO disrespect to Rusty and Marker, but there inability to hold people in at high speeds and super rough terrain is not so good. If you look a t Picabo's fall a couple of years ago, you can see the ski vibrate off her foot. Markers have a tendancy to snap of your foot when you unweight your ski at high speeds.
Look at Daron Rolves run at Kitzbuel DH two years ago. He came into the turn after the Steilhanger and took a n unbelievably straighy line(TV had that comparison line software btw him and herman, daron was holding a much tighter line). At the apex of the turn Daron unweighted his ski and in super slow mo you could see the ski snap, but it stayed on his foot. I believe most bindings would have popped off.
Very specific circimstance but ask any big mt skier and they will shy away fromm Marker unless they are being pair (shane M. and Brad Holmes).
post #13 of 19
Let the Fur Fly!

We have been through this already once before in the forum somewhere. There is nothing wrong with Atomic's bindings. Some older 4.12 & 3.10 had a known problem & were replaced on warranty.

I just spoke with the Atomic in house Tech rep at Atomic USA Thursday. He told me the World Cuppers skiing on Atomic bindings have their DIN set on about 16 and many of the other racers on other gear are on 32-36.

Do you really think Rahlves, Eberharter & Maier and the like would ski on an inferior binding that didn't work.

Yes, you can argue they are concerned about retention not release, but that argument doesn't hold water since the complaint from people is pre-releasing. These things keep the likes of Hermann Maier in his 212cm DH goin' 90MPH at the Hahnenkamm!

I skied in Atomic bindings about 80 days last season. I am 6'0",
185lbs, 317mm boot sole length. I ski all terrain and train some masters in the gates. I am on all 6.14 Atomic bindings (not the 10.18) For a 3+ skier the chart says my DIN should be 10. Guess what? That is the setting I ski on. I never released once unneccesarily last season or for the last 3 years for that matter!

The same bullsh__ was going around about Marker for a while. Particularly after Picabo's horrific crash. Guess what? When she came back from her near career ending injuries, she came back skiing on Marker's. WoW!

There are a few things that can make a binding pre-release. Seldomly is it an inherent flaw in the design of the binding. Both my boys race on Atomic bindings and I personally know a slough of top junior racers racing on them and also many freeskiers who have had no problem whatsoever!

P.S. If you Atomic binding slammers could stand up on your skis, you wouldn't be so obssesed with your damn bindings coming off. Learn to ski in balance!

Over & out!

Atomicman skier formerly known as Volklman(& Marker)

[ November 08, 2003, 07:11 PM: Message edited by: Atomicman ]
post #14 of 19
Look/Rossi. Not only do they perform exactly as they should, they also make your skis look like futureistic rocket ships
post #15 of 19
I agree about the Atomics.

I have never had a pre-release and they come off when they are supposed to.

I did blow out my knee last year but no binding would have released the way I fell so I still feel confident that my bindings are fine.

Also the whole multi position binding is an awesome feature and I'm sure other companies are going to jump on that real quick besides Atomic and Tyrolia's railflex.

[ November 08, 2003, 09:51 PM: Message edited by: Scalce ]
post #16 of 19
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Originally posted by Atomicman:
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P.S. If you Atomic binding slammers could stand up on your skis, you wouldn't be so obssesed with your damn bindings coming off. Learn to ski in balance!
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Like I said.. My atomic binding problems came in the form of a rear release lever, that came out of its "track". I couldn't get out of the binding without turning down the front DIN setting and having someone kick the side of my boot. It honestly was a ridiculous situation. As ridiculous as it sounds. In my opinion the design of the atomic heel piece is not beefy enough to handle higher DIN settings. The binding I skied was the 614. My DIN was never above 11. But after about a month and a half of skiing it around 9 or ten, the heel piece came apart.

The reason I gave my props to Tyrolia is because of their ability to keep me in when I want, and out when I need to be. Also their bullet proof construction, lots of material, enough to handle the full range of their DIN setting, but yet lightweight. I also skied my Tyrolias, consistently around 10, 11 and never had any trouble. IMHO best bindings on the market.
post #17 of 19
I have to say the LOOK "Nevada" heel was the best invention. Ess bindings are not the best of all time; however, allowing the binding to easily adjust fore/aft was a kewl idea.

www.skiinghistory.org/releasebindings.html

[ November 10, 2003, 01:02 PM: Message edited by: Jørn ]
post #18 of 19
I've been a Marker fan for years. The Piston series rocks if you like a smooth ride.

You guys are making me feel good about my Looks. I've just purchased my first pair to go on with my Omecarves..... glad to hear their reputation is still solid.

Oh yeah... I forgot to mention the old Tyrolias. You guys remember the ones with the bad batch of plastic. Well my heel piece blew off at the top of Vail. Had to download 2 lifts to the base to have them replaced at the shop. I haven't skied Tyrolia since.

[ November 09, 2003, 08:19 AM: Message edited by: EasternSkiBum ]
post #19 of 19
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Originally posted by Powderhoundin:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Atomicman:
[QB]
P.S. If you Atomic binding slammers could stand up on your skis, you wouldn't be so obssesed with your damn bindings coming off. Learn to ski in balance!
QB]
Like I said.. My atomic binding problems came in the form of a rear release lever, that came out of its "track". I couldn't get out of the binding without turning down the front DIN setting and having someone kick the side of my boot. It honestly was a ridiculous situation. As ridiculous as it sounds. In my opinion the design of the atomic heel piece is not beefy enough to handle higher DIN settings. The binding I skied was the 614. My DIN was never above 11. But after about a month and a half of skiing it around 9 or ten, the heel piece came apart.

The reason I gave my props to Tyrolia is because of their ability to keep me in when I want, and out when I need to be. Also their bullet proof construction, lots of material, enough to handle the full range of their DIN setting, but yet lightweight. I also skied my Tyrolias, consistently around 10, 11 and never had any trouble. IMHO best bindings on the market.
</font>[/quote]Obviously an isolated incident. Even Toyota owners have to bring their car in for warranty repair occassionly. In the manufacturing process, there will aways be a certain % of lemons!
we have 15 pair mounted up, a combo of 4.12, 6.14 & 10.18. Never had a problem! Did Atomic warranty your bindings? Or were they used and pre-owned? Also, I was referring to Dukes comments.

A-man

[ November 09, 2003, 08:31 AM: Message edited by: Atomicman ]
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