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World Cup Ski Fitness at Lake Louise

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 

This is an article by Louis Stack, owner of Fitter1 in Calgary.
I found these 3 statements to be of particular interest:

#" Muscle and strength are off-season training issues, with neuromuscular training, reaction time and confidence being the main focus before an event.
# The bulkier athletes were generally not as efficient at learning new skills involving balance and reaction time. Only one Austrian man went against this norm and he was the largest racer in the field with balance and coordination skills that were second to none.
# The real test is not how strong an athlete is, but how well an athlete can recruit their strength to help them stay in harmony with the effects of gravitational forces during training and race runs."
post #2 of 13

Great article!

Noticing that the article is on the Fitter First website reminded me of the Pro Fitter 3D Trainer. I have been considering using one of these as part of my dryland training for a little while. Does anybody have any feedback on this device. I guess the obvious comparison would be with the Skiers Edge. I'd like to find out how the two compare with each other. I'm most interested in whether the Pro Fitter helped with balance training and if it helped with training skiing or skating specific muscles. Also did it help muscle memory in a way that converted into more effective skiing.

post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 
Good question. I've been searching the internet, without success, trying to find a comparison between the 2 products. The Fitter folks are present at every professional fitness convention. I actually met Louis Stack, the company president, when he was my partner in a Paul Chek Workshop.

Skiers Edge has yet to make an appearance. I find this pretty strange, since fitness professionals could really market their product. But no ethical professional will comment on equipment that they have not tried.

If you search in Fitness, Instruction, and Off Season Sports, there are a gazillion Skiers Edge threads. As far as Fitter goes, I know that Kee Tov uses one. Anyone else from Canada?

My own experience with balance toys for skiing has been somewhat evolutionary. I used to fall quite a lot, due to lost proprioception from consistent childhood ankle sprains. I went from being someone who always falls, to someone who almost never falls, from working on the stability ball, especially the hamstring bridge.

In retrospect, I can say that the ball greatly improved my balance and proprioception, and helped somewhat with my ski specific skills. But my greatest gains in skill proficiency came after pre season dryland training on a combination of the Fitter, the Bosu and the Dyna Disc.

Please keep in mind that anecdotal reports are personal, not scientific. Generally, people are only as strong as their weakest link. The toys that were most effective for me were the ones that cahllenged the skills I was least proficient at. Somebody else may need a totally different type of program.

Another issue pertaining to balance products, is the idea of the Balance Threshold. The folks at Twist Conditioning, in Vancouver, will tell you that once a balance toy can be used on aauto pilot, it is no longer improving balance. An elite ski racer would need to train on more challenging equipment than an intermediate skier.

Hope this long answer helps! [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #4 of 13

Thank you very much for your thorough, as usual, answer. I'm finding some of the balance drills I've been using to be at that "Balance Threshold" for me. So, I'm looking for drills, devices, etc that will be constantly challenging for me without being "near daredevil" in risk.

Standing on a balance ball and Bongo Boards are a bit over my head at the moment so the Pro Fitter seems to be the next thing on my list. If only I could convince my gym to purchase one...

post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 
Warning!!! Biased reply!!!
I've got one word for you: BOSU http://www.bosu.com

But as I said, this is a bias on my part, since on Oct.3, I will
become a Master trainer for Bosu. If you can't get your gym to invest in a Fitter, the Bosu are less expensive.
post #6 of 13
This BOSU thing you talk of, LM, will you be bringing them to the academy?

I can feel an experiment coming on.

Si, get the video camera...

post #7 of 13
Originally posted by Wear the fox hat:
This BOSU thing you talk of, LM, will you be bringing them to the academy?
"BOSU" ? is that another name for one of those keggle machine things?
post #8 of 13
Interesting link, LM. Thanks.
post #9 of 13
Originally posted by DangerousBrian:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Wear the fox hat:
This BOSU thing you talk of, LM, will you be bringing them to the academy?
"BOSU" ? is that another name for one of those keggle machine things?</font>[/quote]No...thats BENWA.
Now go beat up some soccer fans.
post #10 of 13
I had knee surgery in late May and I use a combination of BOSU, Skier's Edge, Fitter Wobble Board and Bongo Board, and exercise of course.

I am not sure if it will improve my skiing but it has improved my balance and coordination on my bad leg.

I do think that the Skier's Edge is better than the Fitter 3D trainer as I have tried both. I have the Skier's Edge System 4 but I just saw an add in Skiing about their new products which have more slope angle.

The Skier's Edge definatley is not a great cardio or strengthening machine for super fit people but if you get low on it and do it pretty fast for about 15-20 minutes you will feel it in your legs. It is very smooth and low impact since it doesn't hurt my knee at all.

I found the Fitter Pro 3D to be very jerky in motion when going all the way out to the sides. It is also expensive for what it is and it doesn't come with poles unless you get the kit that has all the accessories.
post #11 of 13
Also, Skier's Edge usually have a demo at skis shows like the one at the Bayside Expo Center in South Boston.

I am sure that you can call them and get a schedule of where they will have demos setup.
post #12 of 13

Thank you very much for your input. While I would like the Fitter to be wider in order to eliminate or minimze the hits to the sides. One of the things I really like about it though is the smoothness, touch and feel for balance I built by trying to stay off the side but still get a full range of motion. I also like the balance challenge of the rocker base and no poles.

Im a little convinced that the Fitter is the way to go since I'll be using it for balance training after an aerobic workout like running or cycling. I'll also be using a gym for my resistance workouts. If I were looking to this device for resistance or aerobic training I might lean towards the Skiers Edge.

I like the description of the Bosu as well. I'd like to be able to do some of the more advanced moves on a balance ball. The Bosu looks like a great intermediate step.

post #13 of 13
Glad I could help.

I am not positive but I think alot of companies like Fitter recommend doing balance exercises before working out to get the nerves and proprioception going.
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