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Ski Durability, what is your experience?  

Poll Results: How have you broken skis?

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 9% of voters (1)
    Snapped core
  • 18% of voters (2)
    Bindings ripped out
  • 27% of voters (3)
    Edges ripped out
  • 36% of voters (4)
    Delamination (layers peeling apart)
  • 27% of voters (3)
    Core Shot
  • 45% of voters (5)
    Other
  • 18% of voters (2)
    My skis broke me
11 Total Votes  
post #1 of 8
Thread Starter 

Hey Guys,

 

For those who don't know, we are a small ski company based out of Vermont.

 

We have spent the past five years researching durability problems found on both our own, and competitors skis. Our findings have lead us to these four technologies (among others):

 

Early End Edge - We found that edges blow out the sides of the ski near the tip and tail. We’ve cut our edges short to prevent this from happening.

Double Thick Edge - Edges crack directly underfoot from contact with man made objects. We’ve doubled the industry standard thickness for our edges to end this issue.

Double Thick Base - Bases can be forced to take on incredible impact when hitting stumps, rocks, or man made features. We’ve doubled the industry standard thickness for our base material to further absorb impacts like these, and prevent the interior of the ski from seeing damage.

Zero-Delam Tip - The layers of a ski can delaminate, or peel apart at the ends. We’ve removed the metal edge from the tip and tail and doubled the thickness of our base to create perfect seams.

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Here you can see how early the edges end.

We are reaching out to get your feedback on what durability problems you currently face, and what you do or don't like about how your current skis approach durability.

If you want to know more about our technology, check out our website at hgskis.com

post #2 of 8

Over the past 15 years, I have bent 3 volkl's my G30's and AX3's bent half way from tip to binding. My son fell last season and bent the tail of my AC30's about 5" from the tail end. It was a very small bend, but the first two were pretty big bend's.

 

All 3 skis were high in the air and hit straight down when they bent.

post #3 of 8

Over the years, i have broken a few skis (broke a customer's pair of SuperG Atomics one day at Sugarbush...sorry about that) and seen tons of skis come apart in various ways.  Delaminations, core breakage and edge pulls are the most common...sometimes due to insufficient construction techniques and not just abnormal abuse.  With the growth of park-and-pipe riding, skis are suffering a whole new suite of damage from sharp impacts through the base and serious tip flap and slap tweaking the ski's chassis in new and damaging ways.  Several builders are beefing up the edges, edge attachment techniques and core crush zone reinforcements in various ways, which is great...

 

I got a chance to test the HG Stingers for a few runs at Killington's Test Fest, and inspected the construction and finish carefully.  The guys at HG have seriously considered durability on their skis, and with the whomping they get with freestyle park and pipe riders demoing their test skis, the demo skis at Killington were in great shape and skied with some impressive characteristics. Not only are they tough, but they have a super-wide performance envelope all over the mountain...not just a one-trick-pony. To read the review of the Stinger, see:

 

http://www.exoticskis.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=359

 

We test a bunch of skis each season, and some don't hold up as long as we'd like after hard usage. If there are things to look for when checking out freestyle skis at a demo day, it's the tip and tail laminations, edge integrity (check for crushed sidewalls) and flex consistency tip to tail between each ski. The HGs were super solid and showed no evidence of any failures or fatigue points...and skiers at demo days are not known for going easy on the demo equipment.... HG's Stingers were great stuff, and tough as nails.  I am seriously considering a pair of HGs for my son (age 15 and getting rowdy on his skis) because he won't mash them into pulpwood after two months.  Give them a look.  HG, like many smaller builders, takes a ton of pride in making a super durable ski for your hard earned cash, and their reputation depends on people being imrpessed.  Check them out.  Disclaimer : HG is a Vermont company, and I live in Vermont..so I naturally want to root for the home team..but I gotta be brutally honest and call 'em like I see 'em...it helps the skiers and helps the builders in the long run.

 

- Eric Edelstein

post #4 of 8

Peeling. All of my line skis have peeled. Switching to atomic this year!

post #5 of 8

The first and third posts here read a lot like advertising. All for reviews of small companies, not so impressed with "reaching out" threads that appear to solicit info, but are designed to designate a problem and then show what company's done about it already. Fine line...

post #6 of 8
Knock on wood, but I've had very good luck with most all ski brands. One exception with a foam core ski going lifeless and a seeming loss of torsional rigidity, and a couple problems resulting from mounting issues, but in general I'm relatively easy on skis. Probably because my dad said something when I was a kid like,"'if you break these, there aren't any more this season". smile.gif
post #7 of 8
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
 

The first and third posts here read a lot like advertising. All for reviews of small companies, not so impressed with "reaching out" threads that appear to solicit info, but are designed to designate a problem and then show what company's done about it already. Fine line...

 

Ditto.  Pony up and say what you are doing.  The links lead you to their kick starter page.  How about "We're a new company trying to jump in and could use your help.  He're the link to our website. Please give us feedback."  I think anyone here would help any business, especially a small one, if it brought better products to the industry.

 

If you are going to try and hoodwink me in your advertising, what's to make me think you aren't going to do that with your product.

 

In full disclosure, like beyond said, this is a thin line and I might be reading more into this than I should. I would have thought that the survey would have been more useful BEFORE they fixed the problems.  Not really needed after.

 

I also think what they put in place to address the issues, sound like a reasonable approach and is probably a good product.

 

Ken

post #8 of 8

mod note->

To be fair, hg skis tried that with their first post and I moderated it. To be fair to our sponsors I'm going to moderate this entire thread. To be fair to all of you who have participated in this thread I'm going to lock it until Monday before I delete the thread.

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