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what i learned from skis

post #1 of 24
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just saw the thread skis on skis owned and started thinking about skis that had an  impact on my ski choices 

 

so here goes (and I hope this turns out better than the only other thread i started)

 

72 Fisher Super Gt - a cheap crappy ski (you get what you pay for)  

73 Atomic World Cup - stiff metal skis are not the best choice for bumps

74 Atomic arc - Manufactures will replace skis but often it's not with the same ski

Olin skis -shorter works better in bumps if your ego will allow it.

Dynamic vr17 - an edge should hold

Solomon Super Force 3s - never believe the hype

Dynastar 4x4 outland - too light and easy usually = short life

Elan Spitfires - a bad tune is a very dangerous thing

Atomic Metron - it's better to see tips occasionally in powder

Head monster - even in an emergency its better to rent if you don't demo first

Volkl ac50 - the distance to lift increases with weight.

post #2 of 24
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Originally Posted by noncrazycanuck View Post
 

just saw the thread skis on skis owned and started thinking about skis that had an  impact on my ski choices 

 

so here goes (and I hope this turns out better than the only other thread i started)

 

72 Fisher Super Gt - a cheap crappy ski (you get what you pay for)  

73 Atomic World Cup - stiff metal skis are not the best choice for bumps

74 Atomic arc - Manufactures will replace skis but often it's not with the same ski

Olin skis -shorter works better in bumps if your ego will allow it.

Dynamic vr17 - an edge should hold

Solomon Super Force 3s - never believe the hype

Dynastar 4x4 outland - too light and easy usually = short life

Elan Spitfires - a bad tune is a very dangerous thing

Atomic Metron - it's better to see tips occasionally in powder

Head monster - even in an emergency its better to rent if you don't demo first

Volkl ac50 - the distance to lift increases with weight.


This is a good ski topic.  

I know I've skied on a few things that were too big and too stiff, but I was comfortable on them because they were a stable platform - sort of a "park and ride" ski.  

When I started to learn to ski better and worked on good technique, I started to prefer skis that I could bend and more specific to terrain and snow conditions. 

 

Some people never learn but they still have a good time sliding on snow.  I grew and continue to grow....never stop growing and changing. 

post #3 of 24

I had a pair of Dynastar Ohmeglass 2's that were a very responsive slalom ski.  I learned that  relaxing was not an option while skiing them because it usually resulted in a less than relaxing fall.  While I really did like them I also learned that I prefer a more relaxed ride.

 

Fast forward several years to my beloved Sollie Pocket Rockets which were stolen on my freaking birthday of all days.  I learned that I enjoy a light playful ski that is fat but not too fat.  They were 94mm at the waist.  My main pair of skis nowadays has a 93mm waist.

post #4 of 24

I'll play

 

Volkl Bridge185- touted as a one ski quiver.  92mm underfoot doesnt provide much float.  Crappy construction.

K2 hellbent 189-  Fun floppy powness!  Little noodley.  Things got scary around 2pm when things started to get tracked up.  

4frnt VCT 182-  Excellent daily driver, and light enough to also be my touring setup.  God i loved those. Catastrophic edge blowout.

Line mothership 185-  Stiff!  Only likes to go straight and fast.  Felt like skiing 2x4's until you hit at least 30mph.

High society Freeride 179- great progressive flex. park setup. Broke one in half!  High society replaced immediately.  Thanks guys!

4frnt Turbo 189-  Best most forgiving ski ever made.  Soo much fun.  Also liked to go straight fall line.

k2 shreditor 112 189-  Great daily driver out West.  So damp they were wonky at first. too light for my tastes,  typical k2 bomber construction.

k2 obsethed 189 -  POW POW SLASH FUN GOT MY MAGIC SHOES ON YEA!

 

 

O yea, are you high?

post #5 of 24

I have time to kill, so lets see if I can remember back to 12 years ago when I started skiing (I don't remember stuff if not important).

 

Volkl 7/24 at about 170?  1st pair of skis I bought used on Ebay.  Loved them

Volkl AC40 in about a 170.  My first pair of new skis.  Loved them and resold for maybe $75 less than I bought them for after a few seasons use.

Pocket Rockets 178?  Purchased as a powder ski.  They didn't float my F.A. so were quickly sold.

K2 Maiden AK.  I thought I was really stepping it up to long skis (180).  They did float better than the Pocket Rockets, but left a lot to be desired.

Movement Thunders 187.  The first skis that I feel in love with.  They clearly were a handful for me in the beginning, but they improved my skiing a bunch in years 3 and 4.

Blue House Districts 187.  Purchased on a whim when Blue House introed the company on TGR with $200 a pair skis. I didn't like them as they felt to planky to me.

Praxis Powders 195?.  Finally, a pair of skis that helped a jong enjoy skiing in powder

Praxis Bank Country 190.  This was a proto ski I bought for a great deal, but they didn't set me on fire, so I sold them after a season

Movement Goliath 190?.  These bad boys were bought as a replacement for the BC's. They were just to much for my skill level (hard for me to ski) so were sold.

PM Gear Bro 183.  The TGR classic from many years back.  Bought a used pair that likely needed a tune (I was clueless) and never felt right to me so I sold them.

Dynastar Mythic Riders 184.  God, what a fun pair of skis.  I sold them after a few seasons due to the over lap with the Movements.

Movement Source 187.  Bought to replace my aging Thunders.  Now my early season skis, but one of the best shapes (the Thunders and Source) I have ever skied. I still love them.

PM Gear Lhasa Pow 196.  What a great powder ski.  I loved them.  Too bad the early ones had some delam issues.

Nordica 178 Nitros?  I forget the model.  First ski I bought due to Epic input, as I needed a ski to improve in moguls. They worked as advertised.  I really liked those skis.

Dynastar Sultans 178?  Didn't ever like these like I did the MR's.  Sold them and bought the Elan's.  What a great decision.

Atomic Autos in 193.  Bought to replace the busted Lhasa's.  Great ski.  To bad the last 2-3 seasons have sucked for powder and I have maybe 10 days on them:rolleyes

Armada TST 183.  Fun ski, but skied way to short, so I sold them and bought the 192's.  Really fun, but like the Auto's, not enough snow to use them much.  (For sale)

Elan Amphibio xti 179?.  Due to the fore mentioned shitty snow seasons, I bought these a few seasons ago.  What a great pair of skis in firm conditions.

Nordica Vagabonds 185.  Bought on the blem sale and got 1 day on them last season:hopmad: But what a fun pair of skis.

 

So what I learned over the years is my over all preference is for longer skis.  At 5"10", skis in the 178 range are stupid easy to ski, but I do like the stability at speed and larger turn radius of skis in the mid 180's.  Having put on a lot of weight over the last 7 years (I am working on a big loss for next season) I have needed skis in the 190's for powder and I feel very comfortable on what I ride now.  While no Expert (never will be) my present quiver is great and I will be using it next season too.  In the beginning I thought I liked stiffer skis, but have found over the last few years I do like to be able to bend a ski and being I use longer skis mostly, they do not need to be real stiff.  Now please baby jeezuz, let it dump in the Sierra next winter so I can work out the Vagabonds and the Auto's.


Edited by liv2 ski - 5/31/15 at 10:54am
post #6 of 24


What I learned from skis.  Just an observation of the off season mind.

 

I have owned and skied on several GS skis and that the best ones I found came from Austria.   They had to be skied forward over the tips of the ski a lot like they teach people to ski in Austria.

 

I have owned and skied on several SL skis and that the best ones I found came from France.  They had to be skied over the center of the ski a lot like the French ski.

 

The American Skis that I have owned and skied on seemed to ski best sitting back on the tails.  Like many of the American skiers that sit back on their skis.

 

Has anybody experienced the same thought about GS, SL, skis? 

post #7 of 24

Have owned nearly 80 pairs of skis, give or take, over closing on 60 years. Most were a good date for a while, some a very short while. Some were multi-year relationships, but when they started getting too loose it was time for them to leave. 

 

Floating along is good, but life is a lot more interesting on the edge. 

 

A good bottom is way more important than pretty skin.

 

There is something to be said for good breeding.

 

 

Gentlemen should not talk about mounting

 

Now boots can be true love.  I have had a habit of trying to get them to stay around too long at times.

post #8 of 24
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Originally Posted by Uncle-A View Post
 


What I learned from skis.  Just an observation of the off season mind.

 

I have owned and skied on several GS skis and that the best ones I found came from Austria.   They had to be skied forward over the tips of the ski a lot like they teach people to ski in Austria.

 

I have owned and skied on several SL skis and that the best ones I found came from France.  They had to be skied over the center of the ski a lot like the French ski.

 

The American Skis that I have owned and skied on seemed to ski best sitting back on the tails.  Like many of the American skiers that sit back on their skis.

 

Has anybody experienced the same thought about GS, SL, skis? 

I am right with you, except I always felt French skis were tail bias too,  ala Killy! 

 

But no doubt, Austrian and German (read Volkl) want to be driven from the bow, not the keel or the stern! :-)

post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
 

I am right with you, except I always felt French skis were tail bias too,  ala Killy! 

 

But no doubt, Austrian and German (read Volkl) want to be driven from the bow, not the keel or the stern! :-)

Killy may have had a tail bias but my Dynastars would put you on your tailbone if you weren't paying attention.  And by paying attention I mean COM forward of center.

post #10 of 24

What I learned from a few significant skis that I have owned, or still do.

 

Dynamic VR 27  Jean Claude Killy was right!

K2 710,  If you could bend these, you could bend an H beam

Dynastar Course Géant:   Anything shorter than 207 cm skis short

Blizzard  V20 Thermo RS:  race stock skis are a different breed!  Fun, as long as you are on top of your game!

Volant Chubb:  the epitome of dampness

Voll P30 RS:  My first shaped skis.  OK, maybe 193 is not that short after all.

Salomon X-Scream series:  68 mm at the waist is a mid fat freeride ski.  At least, in 2001, it was!

Volkl AC30 Unlimited.  It is not because a ski magazine reviewer likes it that I will.

Dynastar Legend Mythic Rider:  An 88 mm waisted ski can be skied allover the mountain, including in icy conditions.

Blizzard Gunsmoke:  Murphy.s law:  Any time I take my powder skis along on a ski vacation, it does not snow.

Kastle BMX 98:  Rocker and a round tail help when skiing tight trees,


Edited by Pacobillie - 6/3/15 at 5:07pm
post #11 of 24
Never had much problem bending skis. Things I've learnt:

Most skis will work OK. Anyone that has a serious problem with a ski that is sized right for them probably has issues with their skiing.

Individuals will have preferences for different things.

You can buy a turn. Or at least buy a ski that you can ski instinctively/unconsciously - recent skis in this class for me sampled Kastle BMX HP 108, Whitedot Ragnorak.

Some skis are an outright giggle e.g. Movement Flyswatter

A skinnyish ski has its place but you might as well stay above 80mm unless pistencarven is really your bag.

I credit the original Line Mothership with metal for bringing me back to skiing and triggering a new obsession.
post #12 of 24

Kästle RX National Team SG - Skiing can be hazardous to your health; maybe I'm not indestructible after all.  Who knew?

Fischer WC SC - Short turns  can be fun too.

post #13 of 24
Here goes:

Volkl p9 RS - it's how a ski is built

Rossi 4S - mellow can be fitting

Rossi WC DH 218 - circa 92, a supple shovel goes a long way; raced em for GS & moguls.

Fischer Super7 - bought new @ a Salvation Army; 215cm ; burly skied em all thru college - learn to turn a beast!

Volkl RS super- we were wrong, 89mm is not too wide for a tip in a 213

Dynastar Little Big Fat - 168 can be fun!

PM gear Bro Model OG- mojo can move an entire industry ; had several - all different.

Dynastar GS 172 - u can go too short

Dynastar Pro Rider / Nobis - big is back

Nordica Hot Rod XB130zxtB whatever- a great ski w a crappy rail system is a crappy ski

Blossom SL / GS - u just good construction ; nothing fancy

Fischer WC SC & RC - u can tune it down

Salomon Lab q teamer - they still build back room bombers

SkiLogik - ppl are still building great skis that are different!
post #14 of 24

Fun thread!

 

Don't know if I can recall everything I've learned from my skis all at once....

 

Elan....?....GLM rentals:

  • Wow!  Sliding down the bunny hill for hours on end is tons of fun!
  • Spademans are a bitch for neophytes.

 

Fischer Futura:

  • Wow!  Step in bindings rule!
  • The rental shop experience drools.
post #15 of 24

Safety straps were great for turning your skis in to razor edged nun chucks when you go over the handlebars:eek:mad

post #16 of 24

Olin Mk II VCE - what were they thinking?

Volkl AC series - people liked these things?

K2 Apache Recon - The masses can be wrong, very wrong some times.

Atomic Beta carve something - Do NOT buy a ski without trying it.

Kastle BMX108 - what a difference a letter can make (the B)

Ski Logik Rock Star - A tune makes ALL the difference

Dynastar Mythic Rider - The name says it all. Still have a pair somewhere. Loved that ski.

Dynastar Sultan - The "Legend" magic vanishes, never (not yet at least) to return

K2 Axispro - When K2 made real skis.

Rossi ST 650 to ST Comp - If you like it, stay with it - newer doesn't mean better.

post #17 of 24
Fischer C4 'red tip' SL... So this is what quick is!

Rossi FP prototype... Holy crap! Ice? What ice?

Rossi XXX gen 1... Surf's up! Why slog 'in' when you can rip 'on'?

Blizzard Bodacious... Big, burly, unforgiving? &$)'ing 150lb testers... What do they know?

Head Rev 85 pro... Wait, these can't do this! The reviews said these were for intermediates.

Rossi Hero Master... Jeeeeezusss! An all mountain scalpel in a world of chainsaws.
post #18 of 24
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post

 

Dynastar Mythic Rider - The name says it all. Still have a pair somewhere. Loved that ski.

Dynastar Sultan - The "Legend" magic vanishes, never (not yet at least) to return

So it wasn't just me that loved the Mythic Rider and was meeh about the Sultan????  I too wish Dynastar would roll out some skis to live up to the old "Legend" standard but with a modern twist.

post #19 of 24

2011 Blizzard G-force Supersonic IQ, 167: bought these (too short, I know now, but not then) with 4 weeks of ski experience on rentals. Eye-opener on grip, precision, turn initiation. But I became too fast too heavy, too fast too fast.

 

2013 Nordica Hell & Back, 185: wider allmountain skis can really carve. But I became too lazy too fast, my physical fitness just wasn't there and my knees...

 

2014 Atomic Automatic, 186: smeary powder skis are great fun on-piste too... And just awsome in powdery bowls, open faces, trees, bumps

 

2015 Fischer Ranger 88 TI, 184: my playful and light replacements for the Nordicas. Love them except on ice and for improving technically. Looking for (non-)FIS slalom ski's for that.


Edited by Cheizz - 6/5/15 at 1:41am
post #20 of 24

These are just the ones I owned. There are some 25 others ones I have been on as well.

post #21 of 24
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Originally Posted by liv2 ski View Post
 

So it wasn't just me that loved the Mythic Rider and was meeh about the Sultan????  I too wish Dynastar would roll out some skis to live up to the old "Legend" standard but with a modern twist.

 

And the Cham continues the downward spiral. I skied my Sultan's two days, then they got sold.

 

I still have the Mythic's in my Bud's garage in the NE, just in case I go back there.

post #22 of 24
2010 Volkl AC20 170cm - tibial plateau fractures are painful, and can lead to blood clots.

2012 Kastle LX 82 172cm & 180cm - women are smarter about skis than men. Ski the longest ski you can ski, not the shortest - length for height and flex for weight.

2012 Salomon Rocker2 92 179cm - narrower powder skis are a riot on the most days. Forward mounts allow you to ski the tails intentionally. It isn't easy to ski from the center in crud. Camber is the necessary root of all evil.

2015 Salomon Rocker2 100 186cm - don't fear ski length. Twin tip is a meaningless description. I should spend time in the park. Waist width is not the unifying factor. Sliding on snow can include feathering friction along the entire ski length without a terminal intermediate prison sentence.

Other combined lessons:

A groomer is a machine, not a snow condition.

Covering up flaws with versatile equipment is more fun than exposing them without.

I suck.
post #23 of 24

You can not run gates with freestyle skis.

post #24 of 24

^^^^ Or you can, but the gates will then want to run into you. :D

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