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post #1 of 24
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Looks like I have the mid 80's all mountain category covered.  Just bought a FX84 from Dawg.

 

Thinking about a frontside only ski that won't kill me, but will make me better.

 

I won't get a chance to demo.

 

43yo

5'11"

190lbs

Level 7

 

This ski will be primarily used on the East Coast and more specifically in the Mid-Atlantic.  1000ft vertical max.

 

I'd like something that has the ability to make me a better skier, but not kill me for making a mistake.  I'm ok with the ski being specific to on piste only as I'll have the FX84's and a beater (teaching) pair of E88's.  I'd rather not have too much overlap.  Can get decent prices on Head, Blizzard, Nordica, Volkl and Elan skis, but am willing to consider others especially this time of year.

 

Would love to hear some ideas.  How narrow should I go?

 

Thanks!


Edited by DirtViking - 4/21/15 at 7:51am
post #2 of 24

Blizzard Latigo, Fischer Progressor, Head (has several great skis in this category) .....

So many great skis to choose from. 

post #3 of 24

Head Magnum. 71mm underfoot. A more than capable carver that won't punish you at your level and will get better as you get better. 

post #4 of 24
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

Blizzard Latigo, Fischer Progressor, Head (has several great skis in this category) .....
So many great skis to choose from. 

Don't know much about the progressor. Will check them out!
post #5 of 24
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

Head Magnum. 71mm underfoot. A more than capable carver that won't punish you at your level and will get better as you get better. 

I demoed the magnum last year. If I wanted something a bit more than that ski, what would I be on?
post #6 of 24
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

Head Magnum. 71mm underfoot. A more than capable carver that won't punish you at your level and will get better as you get better. 

I demoed the magnum last year. If I wanted something a bit more than that ski, what would I be on?

Be more specific about "more." What didn't you like about the magnum? Seemed like a good thought. Small hills, groomed snow, short turns, technical improvement ski, not a noodly washout, fun. You thinking of a racier slalom ski instead?
post #7 of 24

Dynastar CR74 pro. you wont find a better carver than that. And you can get them cheap

post #8 of 24
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Originally Posted by graham418 View Post
 

Dynastar CR74 pro. you wont find a better carver than that. And you can get them cheap

Yes he can! ;)

Blizzard R-Power , G-Power or S-Power depending of the radius you want...Plus wicked edge grip East Coast approved!

 

The CR 74 is nice too! but need more spped to come alive...imo...

post #9 of 24

Re the Progressor 900s, go here:

http://www.epicski.com/t/132114/progressor-p900-2015

 

And ...

 

I skied on my new 2015 P900s 9 days this season. I liked them a lot. The factory tune wasn't bad, but after a really good pre-season pro tune, I expect I'll like them even more next season.

 

I'm 66, 5'7" (170 cm) tall, and weigh 170 lbs. I got them in 170 cm. Bindings are mounted at the factory standard position. I ski in New England. My favorite terrain is what I call 'easy blacks' - steep but more-or-less groomed. I guess I'm a low Level 8 - great on anything smooth and firm; just OK in more 3D stuff.

 

These are not race skis - they have a race-like feel but are not as demanding and have a wider performance envelope. They love hardpack, even ice, but they don't mind a few inches of fresh, cut-up, or wet spring snow. They're happy to go slow if that's what you want, but they love to go fast. They're not nervous, but they do prefer to be on edge most of the time. The tips really pull you into a turn; the tails are firm but don't toss you around. They have a fairly traditional feel, albeit with a hybrid GS/SL character: at head hight, they feel like a very quick GS ski; I think at 5 cm shorter they might feel more like a relaxed SL ski. But the progressive sidecut allows you to vary the turn shape easily. Coming from a succession of longer stiffer citizen GS skis, it was a small step down in top-end performance with a big gain in ease-of-use, quickness, and versatility.

 

So, I think they're a lot of fun as a mostly on-piste high-performance carver for an aspiring or ex-expert! I was thinking of adding a 2nd ski to my arsenal, but I'm now leaning toward just keeping the P900s as a one-ski-quiver until I'm 70 or so, when I might go a notch or two wider, shorter, and/or softer. However, in the OP's case, at a 75 mm waist, I wonder if they'd be different enough in comparison to the FX 84's. Maybe a slightly narrower but not-too-aggressive SL ski (don't personally know what that might be) might be a better match?

post #10 of 24
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Yes he can! ;)

Blizzard R-Power , G-Power or S-Power depending of the radius you want...Plus wicked edge grip East Coast approved!

 

The CR 74 is nice too! but need more spped to come alive...imo...

Yes ,the Blizzards are better. I forgot we were spending other peoples money . Go  for the Stockli Laser SC .  The CR74's go for around $500 canadian in our city

post #11 of 24
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Yes ,the Blizzards are better. I forgot we were spending other peoples money . Go  for the Stockli Laser SC .  The CR74's go for around $500 canadian in our city

:)

post #12 of 24
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Be more specific about "more." What didn't you like about the magnum? Seemed like a good thought. Small hills, groomed snow, short turns, technical improvement ski, not a noodly washout, fun. You thinking of a racier slalom ski instead?

I think Phil's suggestion is really good.  That being said, I didn't think the ski was that challenging.  From what I recall, it had a fairly large sweet spot.  Which is good, in a way.  Maybe what I'm after doesn't exist, I don't know.  I don't want something that kills me if I'm in the back seat.  Maybe a reminder like "hey buddy, you ain't doing it right."  Never really got that feel on the magnum.  I'd probably have to demo the ski again...  Maybe what I'm after is a ski that raises the bar a bit and I have to change to adapt to it.

post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by Tominator View Post
 

Re the Progressor 900s, go here:

http://www.epicski.com/t/132114/progressor-p900-2015

 

However, in the OP's case, at a 75 mm waist, I wonder if they'd be different enough in comparison to the FX 84's. Maybe a slightly narrower but not-too-aggressive SL ski (don't personally know what that might be) might be a better match?

Thanks for the info.  I really enjoyed your description of the ski and how it feels to you.  I too wonder if the difference between it and the FX84 is big enough.  I have nostalgic reasons to get back on a pair of Fischers.  I'm sure they're infinitely better than my first pair many moons ago!

post #14 of 24
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Be more specific about "more." What didn't you like about the magnum? Seemed like a good thought. Small hills, groomed snow, short turns, technical improvement ski, not a noodly washout, fun. You thinking of a racier slalom ski instead?

I think Phil's suggestion is really good.  That being said, I didn't think the ski was that challenging.  From what I recall, it had a fairly large sweet spot.  Which is good, in a way.  Maybe what I'm after doesn't exist, I don't know.  I don't want something that kills me if I'm in the back seat.  Maybe a reminder like "hey buddy, you ain't doing it right."  Never really got that feel on the magnum.  I'd probably have to demo the ski again...  Maybe what I'm after is a ski that raises the bar a bit and I have to change to adapt to it.

 

Oh no, not a large sweet spot!  ;)

 

Well, we haven't seen you ski, but it's possible you are asking the ski to do some things that you need to do yourself, maybe with some coaching from a human. If the Magnum is somehow too forgiving, you could certainly get a slalom race ski, and it would be fun. Fischer certainly makes good ones, if you're wedded to that brand, per your other post. You'd have to be "on it" a bit more, but maybe that's what you want. If you are already making clean well-controlled arc-to-arc turns, would probably be a good option. Most people aren't.

 

Given what you asked for in your original post, I would stay away from skis with longer radii or wider waists. You have an 84mm ski that's already very good on hardpack. What it doesn't have is whipcrack. You are skiing on small hills and are looking to refine your technique in those circumstances. Something with a truly narrow waist and a short turn radius will be more fun, more different, and move you forward faster, imo. Several other skiers here have been through something similar recently, like @peterk123

post #15 of 24
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Be more specific about "more." What didn't you like about the magnum? Seemed like a good thought. Small hills, groomed snow, short turns, technical improvement ski, not a noodly washout, fun. You thinking of a racier slalom ski instead?

I think Phil's suggestion is really good.  That being said, I didn't think the ski was that challenging.  From what I recall, it had a fairly large sweet spot.  Which is good, in a way.  Maybe what I'm after doesn't exist, I don't know.  I don't want something that kills me if I'm in the back seat.  Maybe a reminder like "hey buddy, you ain't doing it right."  Never really got that feel on the magnum.  I'd probably have to demo the ski again...  Maybe what I'm after is a ski that raises the bar a bit and I have to change to adapt to it.

Challenging? IIRC, a few moons ago Bob Peters was skiing at Vail and his Supershape Magnums mixed were mixed up with Franz Kammer's pair. If they are Ok for Franz...I think they will have enough for you in the "challenging" category. Just saying ;)

 

Edit: "Guess who stole my skis"

post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by DirtViking View Post
 

I think Phil's suggestion is really good.  That being said, I didn't think the ski was that challenging.  From what I recall, it had a fairly large sweet spot.  Which is good, in a way.  Maybe what I'm after doesn't exist, I don't know.  I don't want something that kills me if I'm in the back seat.  Maybe a reminder like "hey buddy, you ain't doing it right."  Never really got that feel on the magnum.  I'd probably have to demo the ski again...  Maybe what I'm after is a ski that raises the bar a bit and I have to change to adapt to it.

Again... G-power ...

 

Ok, lets start again... The way I see it, you already have an all mountain frontside carver with the fx84 and even the E-88 if it was recent... So now you want something that will be a notch or two over the fx84 (which lenght by the way?)...

 

The Head magnum, the P900, the rictor, the amphibio,the motive,... they all will be +/- in the same category of carver... Hell, it doesn't mean that you can't buy one or two more in that category ( I know by experience...:D) because even if they are in the same category, they will ski different and provide you with a different experience...

 

But if you want to go a notch, you have to expect a smaller sweet spot and having to be more on your a-game when you open it up... BTW, if skis of higher performance would have big sweetspot like easier skis, they would be easy to ski and you would not improve... Yes, they may demand a little more respect but when you get used to them, there will be no problem...

 

So, a notch over, The Blizzard G-Power, the R-Power and the S-Power... The Dynastar Speed Course Pro and CR 74 Pro, the Hear Rebel i.speed are skis I skied and would recommand

post #17 of 24
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Originally Posted by DirtViking View Post
 
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

Blizzard Latigo, Fischer Progressor, Head (has several great skis in this category) .....
So many great skis to choose from. 

Don't know much about the progressor. Will check them out!

 

 

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Originally Posted by Tominator View Post
 

Re the Progressor 900s, go here:

http://www.epicski.com/t/132114/progressor-p900-2015

 

And ...

 

I skied on my new 2015 P900s 9 days this season. I liked them a lot. The factory tune wasn't bad, but after a really good pre-season pro tune, I expect I'll like them even more next season.

 

I'm 66, 5'7" (170 cm) tall, and weigh 170 lbs. I got them in 170 cm. Bindings are mounted at the factory standard position. I ski in New England. My favorite terrain is what I call 'easy blacks' - steep but more-or-less groomed. I guess I'm a low Level 8 - great on anything smooth and firm; just OK in more 3D stuff.

 

These are not race skis - they have a race-like feel but are not as demanding and have a wider performance envelope. They love hardpack, even ice, but they don't mind a few inches of fresh, cut-up, or wet spring snow. They're happy to go slow if that's what you want, but they love to go fast. They're not nervous, but they do prefer to be on edge most of the time. The tips really pull you into a turn; the tails are firm but don't toss you around. They have a fairly traditional feel, albeit with a hybrid GS/SL character: at head hight, they feel like a very quick GS ski; I think at 5 cm shorter they might feel more like a relaxed SL ski. But the progressive sidecut allows you to vary the turn shape easily. Coming from a succession of longer stiffer citizen GS skis, it was a small step down in top-end performance with a big gain in ease-of-use, quickness, and versatility.

 

So, I think they're a lot of fun as a mostly on-piste high-performance carver for an aspiring or ex-expert! I was thinking of adding a 2nd ski to my arsenal, but I'm now leaning toward just keeping the P900s as a one-ski-quiver until I'm 70 or so, when I might go a notch or two wider, shorter, and/or softer. However, in the OP's case, at a 75 mm waist, I wonder if they'd be different enough in comparison to the FX 84's. Maybe a slightly narrower but not-too-aggressive SL ski (don't personally know what that might be) might be a better match?


Sorry I didn't reply sooner....but  @Tominator  answered it quite well. 

post #18 of 24

My 2 cents, try the fx84's first ad see how you like them on the groomed hardpack, I just bought the same ski from Dawg and used them twice , one day in scary frozen granular (ice even by Wildcat standards) and perfect spring conditions. They gripped the hardpack and skied the soft corn very well. IMHO they are a perfect east coast daly driver, If you are looking for a hard snow only ski think of a cheater GS ski. that will give you two ski's with little overlap.

post #19 of 24
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My 2 cents, try the fx84's first ad see how you like them on the groomed hardpack, I just bought the same ski from Dawg and used them twice , one day in scary frozen granular (ice even by Wildcat standards) and perfect spring conditions. They gripped the hardpack and skied the soft corn very well. IMHO they are a perfect east coast daly driver, If you are looking for a hard snow only ski think of a cheater GS ski. that will give you two ski's with little overlap.

 

What do you consider a cheater GS ski; just curious.

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Originally Posted by Brad J View Post
 

My 2 cents, try the fx84's first ad see how you like them on the groomed hardpack, I just bought the same ski from Dawg and used them twice , one day in scary frozen granular (ice even by Wildcat standards) and perfect spring conditions. They gripped the hardpack and skied the soft corn very well. IMHO they are a perfect east coast daly driver, If you are looking for a hard snow only ski think of a cheater GS ski. that will give you two ski's with little overlap.

 

What do you consider a cheater GS ski; just curious.


Remember the Rossi Master ones you were looking at?   Those would be GS cheaters. 

post #21 of 24

I'm surprised you want more than the Head Magnum since you state you are a level 7 skier.  The Head Supershapes (like the Magnum) and Fischer Progressors seem to me to be exactly what you are looking for from the first post.  The next step up would be a race carver or a recreational race ski (like a Fischer SC or RC).  More performance but at the expense of some versatility and forgiveness.   

post #22 of 24
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I'm surprised you want more than the Head Magnum since you state you are a level 7 skier.  The Head Supershapes (like the Magnum) and Fischer Progressors seem to me to be exactly what you are looking for from the first post.  The next step up would be a race carver or a recreational race ski (like a Fischer SC or RC).  More performance but at the expense of some versatility and forgiveness.   

post #23 of 24
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Remember the Rossi Master ones you were looking at?   Those would be GS cheaters. 

 

The Pursuit HPs?

post #24 of 24

I think rossi master would be a little too much... as much as I love these skis, they really are giving up versatility and forgivness like JimH said... but I come back with the Blizzard Power serie ( G,R or S) ... a notch over the fx84 ( maybe 2 or 3) but still has some versatility... And anyway, like Dirtvicking said, he has the fx84 for versatility...

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