Originally Posted by tdk6
razie - what is hop and forward?
rainmaker contrasted it to flexing so i assumed it's like pedal hops, which are an extreme of what hop and forward sounds like to me. like an extreme ILE I think? I was taught that long ago as a coping technique on the very few and very short steeps around here.
Instead of flexing to release, you push but, being on the steeps, you need to go extreme FORWARD or you'll loose it. (also referred to the sensation of falling or rather throwing your body down the slope). The FORWARD part nobody is arguing. The hop part is the question.
So, he is going on about I will say race technique of pushing the body forward. Which is sort of classic if you want.
The way I see it though: In speed, you need more body stacking than technique so "pushing" or at least not flexing much is desirable. The problem with doing that in technical events, which is what I am interested in: if you push against the skis at the top of the turn, it means that
1. you likely didn't get that much momentum from the previous turn
2. you are already moving away from the skis at the top of the turn
3. the skis will not move much outside the corridor anymore ,since you're extending the legs early (and 1) (not that big a deal in GS, where you do have to go around the gates anyhow)
4. you will have less pressure available later in the fall line, since you're already spending it and rushing to the fall line
5. you're interrupting float (likely because of 1)
6. it limits angles as it shortens the turn
Interestingly, I would say this is the complete opposite because, at the top of the turn, instead of a "pushing forward" when the skis already switched edges, with flexing, you are "pulling forward" before the skis switched edges, so even sooner. I can't go into that part in much detail right now.
Anyways, this is classic "racer" technique with pushing the body forward. Which is fine. I am now though learning the opposite of it, which is to flex and be very light on the skis, which I find a lot more prevalent these days at the top of the racing ranks. I remember one of the FIS races I was working, with a few national team racers and you could easily tell when they came down without knowing their bibs: they were so calm and in balance and light on the skis compared to the others, siting much lower on average and just sending the skis from side to side.
I probably posted this vid before, but watch the turns at 0:39 to see what i mean. no pushing, just sitting low, light on the skis and just sending the legs side to side = awesomely indicative of superior skill.
See if you can see the part about "pulling body forward" before she switches the edges - I'm curious if you do see it... or rather if you see something that matches my words -
However, in a race, you do whatever the heck you have to.
Edited by razie - 5/21/15 at 9:58am