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My snows have 51,000 miles on them but still lots of tread.

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 

I have 215/70/16 Michelin xIce 2 snow tires on their own rims.  I have no gotten 5 seasons, 51,000 miles on them.  I measured the tread and there is still about 6/32" left.  Theoretically this is plenty of tread.

 

Any opinions on using them again next season?

post #2 of 24

Snow tires often have different compounds at different tread depths getting harder (and less effective on ice) as the tread wears down.  So, about the time your tread is half gone (or half left) your cold weather performance can really drop down to that of a regular tire instead of a snow tire.

 

Tire rack recommends replacing at around 6/32nds and definitely at 4/32nds.

 

You should just run them all summer and get new snows in the fall.

post #3 of 24

My Micheline's X-ice IIs have just finished their 6th winter, about 137,000 km on the car, so guessing a little less than half of that on the X-ice tires.  This tire uses the same compound all the way through (not like some Bridgestones).  I have noticed that as the tires age they are a little less sticky, but still good for snow and ice, just not as good as they once were;  I had to use a little skill, going back and forth to build a long enough runway to get out of my daughter's unplowed (about 4 more inches of heavy wet snow than I had ground clearance).  My tires are worn past the first tread bar (recommended snow/slush replacement depth), but still above the 2nd tread bar (time to replace).  It is amazing how much longer the 2nd half lasts as compared to the first half.

 

The only thing I would warn you about is slush; you and I now have to slow down for slush:(, or buy new tires. 

post #4 of 24
Thread Starter 

Ghost can you please describe to me how to identify those two different sets of treadbars?

post #5 of 24

I got 1.5 seasons out of my snows. what am i doing wrong?  Probably 30km. Nokian hakka r2   They are scary right now. 

post #6 of 24
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I got 1.5 seasons out of my snows. what am i doing wrong?  Probably 30km. Nokian hakka r2   They are scary right now. 


Err...not much wrong there in my book, but you might have a 4W alignment coming up.

post #7 of 24

All I can get for now; I'll take some pics of my tires later.  The tread bars going across the groove at about 1.6 mm from bald are the worn out marks, the ones that are 4 mm from bald are the winter wear marks.

Scroll down to "2."

http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/learn-share/buying-guide/when-should-i-change-my-tyres

post #8 of 24
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All I can get for now; I'll take some pics of my tires later.  The tread bars going across the groove at about 1.6 mm from bald are the worn out marks, the ones that are 4 mm from bald are the winter wear marks.

Scroll down to "2."

http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/learn-share/buying-guide/when-should-i-change-my-tyres


Sorry but that info only applies to "tyres" :newkeyboard:

post #9 of 24

Here you go.  Sorry about the photo quality. I took more pictures of my tire, but they are much worse.  You can see one of the wear bars that is almost flush with the tread, next picture show a flush wear bar.  The next one along the tire is flush, with the outer tread block connected to the inner tread block.  Last photo, there are similar 4 mm blocks on the centre groove, as well as much lower ones (looks to be 1.4 mm??) in the centre grove.

 

 

 

 

 

post #10 of 24
Thread Starter 

Ghost I very much appreciate your help.  Not sure I understand from your pix though.

 

Here are two pix of my tires.  I found the little snowflake/michelin man on the shoulder and the 2nd picture shows a bar that is right in line with it.

 

Seems like lots of tread and bars to me.  What do you think?

 

 

post #11 of 24

Nice photos.  I was in the rain with my cell phone.

 

Yeah, the bars in the tread groove that stick up about 1 or 1.6 mm from the deepest part of the groove mean replace tire when flush.  The ones that stick up about 4 mm mean probably not good in slush and deep snow (although the snow performance isn't as bad as all that).  The tiny (1 to 1.6 mm) ones in the middle look to me like they also serve to enhance snow traction.

post #12 of 24
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I can't believe how much tread I have and where the bars are.  I bought these tires in December of 2010 and have 4 seasons on them and as I said about 51K miles.

 

I don't drive fast and don't brake hard, also have a garage.

 

edit:  make that 5 seasons.


Edited by SkiMangoJazz - 4/9/15 at 2:31pm
post #13 of 24
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I don't drive fast and don't brake hard,.

 

 

Can't be from Mass. then.   ;):eek:D

post #14 of 24
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I don't drive fast and don't brake hard,.

 

 

Can't be from Mass. then.   ;):eek:D

 

I never want to hear "license and registration" again.  And yes I live in Central Mass and work near Cambrdige.

post #15 of 24

Like said above, drive them over the next few month's, april, may, june, etc and buy new ones for next winter. I'm looking at the Goodyear Ultragrip as the next snow tire.

 

I'm using up my Blizzak LM25's currently on my DD. I ran the LM25's from my other car this past winter on my DD and took them off last week, they have a lot of tread left on them. They came with my 2nd car when I bought it on Mar 2011.

 

I have two cars that I can swap wheels on.

post #16 of 24
6/32nd isn't much tread depth, and a tire wearing that slowly at this life stage isn't likely expressing the original compound features. Tires "cure" over the life cycle and loss of original functionality is more than tread depth.

One argument for buying the softest possible tires as correlated to maximum traction is that you want to wear them out within about three years. So people with low annual mileage requirements might want to reconsider buying longer life tires if maximum traction is the primary requirement, budget notwithstanding. What I just said here is very much an argument for the Blizzak design philosophy.

As to whether season six is viable...it looks like it is from a tread life perspective. Whether the tire is a much more than an aggressive all season in the middle of its life at this point and whether that is enough for your usage is probably the question. I'd personally assign them to summer duty, but I have forward traction requirements that tire would have no chance of satisfying.
post #17 of 24
Thread Starter 

If money wasn't so tight I'd get new tires even with the tread remaining, but as I already bought new all seasons and took the snows off, my current plan is to put them back on in December and see how it goes.  Can always replace then during the winter if I either feel more flush or if they feel like they're not doing the job.  Most of my snow tire need is to get in and out of my driveway (dirt, but not steep) and to feel safe driving to go skiing, but not on mountains mostly.  Most of my skiing is nearby.

 

Thanks for all the advice!

post #18 of 24

I noticed a decline in snow/ice traction during the 6th winter on my X-ice IIs, when the tires were well past the "winter" mark, but it was still better than the best all-season tires I have tried.  I will be getting new snow tires next fall.  Still getting the occasional snow and freezing rain up here (not enough to keep the ski hill open  :(), so these are still on the car.

post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post

If money wasn't so tight I'd get new tires even with the tread remaining, but as I already bought new all seasons and took the snows off, my current plan is to put them back on in December and see how it goes.  Can always replace then during the winter if I either feel more flush or if they feel like they're not doing the job.  Most of my snow tire need is to get in and out of my driveway (dirt, but not steep) and to feel safe driving to go skiing, but not on mountains mostly.  Most of my skiing is nearby.

Thanks for all the advice!

That makes sense - you've got enough tread to give it a go. That's one good thing about difficult driveways...if you can get out you are probably ok for typical travel smile.gif.
post #20 of 24
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post
 

If money wasn't so tight I'd get new tires even with the tread remaining, but as I already bought new all seasons and took the snows off, my current plan is to put them back on in December and see how it goes.  Can always replace then during the winter if I either feel more flush or if they feel like they're not doing the job.  Most of my snow tire need is to get in and out of my driveway (dirt, but not steep) and to feel safe driving to go skiing, but not on mountains mostly.  Most of my skiing is nearby.

 

Thanks for all the advice!

 

What did you get for all seasons?    

The reason I ask is - 5mm is not that much tread depth and your new all seasons may actually be better in December than what is left of your snows.   If your AS is comparable to the Conti PureContact OSS and I used this winter then I'd likely stick with those, until you can swap the snows out.

post #21 of 24
Thread Starter 

Well first off I'm not sure it's 5/32", it's just plenty of tread, wear bars well below the surface of the tire.

 

I bought inexpensive, no-name tires. 225/60/17 for $480 installed.  Only 40,000 mile warranty.  Car has 121,000 miles on it.

 

I don't want to use them in the Winter because my method is to get more years out of my all-seasons by not using them in the Winter.  I estimate in 3-4 years at most I'll be selling the car.  Those tires will last 3 seasons of summer use.

 

So the Xice2's will go back on in the Winter and be replaced when they need to be.

 

Just getting a few months, maybe a whole season more out of them delays the $600 or so expense - that a new set will be.

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I bought inexpensive, no-name tires. 225/60/17 for $480 installed.  Only 40,000 mile warranty.  

 

Gotcha, 'k.

post #23 of 24
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I bought inexpensive, no-name tires. 225/60/17 for $480 installed.  Only 40,000 mile warranty.  

 

Gotcha, 'k.

 

 

Believe me I wish I didn't have to be so frugal - but I do.   A new set of good All Seasons would be around $800 installed.

 

These tires are supposedly good tires, just won't last that long.  Hopefully that's the only compromise.

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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post
 

 

I bought inexpensive, no-name tires. 225/60/17 for $480 installed.  Only 40,000 mile warranty.  

 

Gotcha, 'k.

 

 

Believe me I wish I didn't have to be so frugal - but I do.   A new set of good All Seasons would be around $800 installed.

 

These tires are supposedly good tires, just won't last that long.  Hopefully that's the only compromise.

 

Nah, I totally get reducing immediate expenditure, no problem. 

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