The rain at the top of whistler has given me a bit more free time than I’d like. Playing with the mental superpowers on this forum should be fun.
First, it’s LM’s turn.
LM says “Earlier he said that exercising in cold makes you gain fat” NOWHERE in any of my posts did I say that. You have a really bad habit of putting words in my mouth. Of course you can loose fat in the cold, but can you loose it as efficiently as you could at a warmer temperature? You want a GH response after exercise, exercising in the cold blunts this response. I want this response. Go do some research on GH and see if you want it too.
LM, if you push yourself in the gym or on the hill you will inevitably experience some injuries. When is the last time you were railing down the mountain at 50 mph or doing a rest-pause set of hang-cleans at 275 lbs??? You can’t always maintain perfect form when you push yourself with heavy weights, it’s just not possible.
This is pure speculation and I don’t really have the time to research it…… but I think that the cold water causes swimmers to carry body fat close to the skin for insulation….. their actual body fat percentage is probably pretty low. Remember, the human body does a pretty good job adapting to it’s environment. Maybe your body decides that holding a little fat for insulation is more efficient than burning it for heat? Yes I realize that your body doesn’t really decide anything, but you get the point.
LM you keep bringing up BadRats contradictions. The only one I see is about BAT thermogeneis, nothing regarding the GH release after exercise. Also, I never said that BAT thermogenesis plays a significant role in adult humans. BAT and several of the uncoupling proteins are being heavily researched as we speak. I wouldn’t be surprised if some anti-obesity drugs, targeting BAT and UCP3 were introduced in the near future. That is were my comments end on BAT, until I do some more reading. BadRat, please share any info you come across.
LM are you really familiar with the research like you suggest? Why haven’t you brought any contradictory studies to the table??? They are out there. Go spend some time on medline, then maybe we can have an intelligent conversation. I hate bringing all this opinion crap into it. I’d prefer to post a study and let the readers figure it out. After all, who is really qualified to interpret a study? Scientists in the same area of research interpret studies differently all the time. Science types are often very bullheaded. Yes, I’m guilty of this and so are you
Somebody brought up leg extensions.... time for me to share my OPINION on them. They suck and they are not good for anybody who wants to make significant strength gains. It’s an awkward movement (like lunges) and it’s hard to efficiently load the leg with out some sort of slip in form. Plus it stress the kneecap like a mofo at higher weights. Some physical therapists like this exercise, cause it’s easy to isolate different muscles by rotation your leg in or out. As I mentioned above, it’s hard to make strength gains in this exercise so the benefit is questionable. Maybe it helps 90 year olds, but it won’t have that much of an impact for young fit people. I had a muscular imbalance in my quads when I was younger. The PT prescribed tons of leg extensions with a specific form to isolate my vastus lateralis. They did nothing. It was only after I made large strength gains squatting, that the problem went away. Bottom line: stick to big movements and multi-joint exercises if you want to make big strength gains (cleans, squats, leg press). Front squats are great for new lifters because you’re pretty much forced into using good form. Also, don’t be afraid to change them up a bit.
Now it’s terry’s turn:
Aerobic/endurance athletes are not strong! Being strong is counterproductive for endurance your body knows this and sheds muscle with high amounts of endurance exercise. Endurance athletes have small muscles with a high mitochondrial density. I’m not saying there is anything wrong with small muscles, it’s just not what I want for skiing. I agree, with you about big muscles being pretty useless after a few minutes. How long does it take you to go from the top to bottom of a run? It doesn’t take me more than a few minutes. I want the muscle (to an extent!), you need it to go fast. I’m not advocating having 300 lbs of muscles, but you definitely want more than average if you desire fast skiing.
You said “I'd be happy to show you what aerobically trained muscles can do” BRING IT! I trained the entire off-season exclusively with weights. I am very pleased with the results. No, I’m not saying that everybody should train with weights to prepare for skiing. It depends on the person and their goals. If you just need to prepare for a trip or two, then I’d say do mostly cardio with a little weight training. If you like to ski fast and are preparing for an entire season of skiing, I say ditch the cardio until a couple weeks before the season. Excessive cardio throughout the off-season is going to kill any strength gains you’re trying to achieve. LOL, cardio is the anti-strength!
Hopefully this rain will turn to snow, and you won't have to listen to me anymore [img]smile.gif[/img]