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Video 1:  Non-POV and POV shots of me skiing Gunsight at Alta followed by Lone Tree at Snowbasin.   I'm pretty happy with my skiing at Alta on good snow, and not so happy with my skiing at Snowbasin on not so good snow... and to top it off I rolled over in that chute!  My buddy stopped the non-pov video before fell, unfortunately.  I'm not sure what happened.   It felt like I just lost my edge grip on my downhill ski.   I'd love to be more fluid and graceful skiing a firm and narrow chute like that, and welcome any thoughts on how to better stay upright!



Video 2:  A quick shot of me skiing Hole-in-the-wall at Mary Jane.   I'm reasonably happy with my skiing there, just had to do a hip check after catching my tails.   That was a year ago, but I don't think my skiing has changed much since.  



It would be great to have something to think about/work on while skiing late season steeps over the next month or so.  Thanks much!

post #2 of 15

Is the POV from Chesty or helmet? Either way, I think you can see that you could use more upper/lower separation. Also I think the first shot shows that you are a bit off-balance to the rear. Maybe not chronically so, but holding back from going across the skis on such steep terrain. That 2nd shot must be steep as #%$ because stuff never looks all that steep on GoPro.

post #3 of 15
Tball, first clip POV in the steep, narrow stuff. What I notice is where your pole plant is... way up toward the tip. A 'strong, blocking pole plant' more down the fall line rather than across will give you the extra separation and get rid of the tendency to rotate a bit with the skis to prevent back and in moments that epic mentions ( a la the clip two bobble ), and allow you to be aligned better to flex all the joints through the chain to manage ski/snow interaction more effectively. Certainly in the 'pucker zone' skiing and still doing it better than most... the skiing, not the puckering. smile.gif
Edited by markojp - 4/8/15 at 6:19am
post #4 of 15
In second video, you make the pole touch hand move out sideways rather than up and forward. Results in some inside hand dropping and tipping the upper body to the inside. Watch the bit of your shadow early in the first video.
post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 

Thanks so much for the feedback!  


Boiling it down for my simple mind, should I just think about a) keeping my shoulders more square with the hill, and b) planting more down the hill than at my tips?

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Originally Posted by epic View Post

Is the POV from Chesty or helmet? Either way, I think you can see that you could use more upper/lower separation. 


It's the funny looking thing on my helmet.  It's a Garmin Virb rather than a Gopro is why it looks different.


This shot shows both the camera, and how I'm apparently trying to trip myself with my pole plant :rolleyes:



My plant just before I fall is a little better, so I'm not sure if my pole plant contributed to the fall.  I wish my buddy had kept the camera rolling for the fall, but he couldn't see me looking into the sun.


post #7 of 15

Hi, really nice skiing. Watching the helmet cam is really addictive. Nice. Anyway, since you kindly ask for advice I will try give  you some. I would like for you to do two things. Make better use of terrain features and dont rush your turns. The thing is that if you jump your turns without enough rebound you will most likely come up short and start rushing your skis into the fall line and rotate with your upper body and torso. Once you get a hang of using natural rebound you can turn effortlessly. Extend into a pile of snow or a bump and feel that upward push. After that you flex and turn your skis into the fall line while lightly unweighted. You can adjust your upward motion as you like. I personally like to jump up in the air just for the fun of it even if some say thats not the correct way. There is no correct way. Getting killed is the wrong way. But, as I said earlier, very nice skiing. You did it well.

post #8 of 15
Tball, the plant is a habit. In you're zipper line skiing, you have great hand discipline. You need the same in steep, tight skiing. The primary difference is you will be turning your skis across the fall line more, so any lack of separation, following your skis, shoulder rotation, etc... will cause problems and make it more difficult to release your edges and move down the hill while maintaining structure/balance... ( In jargonese, keeping your BoS between the CoM and the directional forces generated by your skiing. smile.gif )

Here's a short vid addressing the issue. Take note about where his pole touches the snow, not so much the swing... You'll notice it's down the fall line at about the toe piece of his binding. I'd love to see his demo vid done in steeper terrain as I think you'd see even more aggressive 'blocking' and less pole swing toward the ski tip. I'd also go back and have a look at Bob Barnes' 'Crudology' video for what I remember being some pretty good stuff.

post #9 of 15
Posting on my phone, but what really catches my eye in that still is the ankle. As they say, there's your problem.
post #10 of 15
Originally Posted by epic View Post

Posting on my phone, but what really catches my eye in that still is the ankle. As they say, there's your problem.



Indeed... this was what I was noticing and mentioning in the 'flexing all the joints through the chain'. 

post #11 of 15

Check the ankles. Puts you in the
post #12 of 15

Learn retraction turns.  They're a lot less work than the up-jump of extension turns, and they're quicker--really useful in this terrain.


Use more, much more, counter.  You want your upper body facing toward the outside of the turn very early in the turn.  This is from your your hips upward.  For example, in a right turn, push your right hip forward so your hip, shoulder, and arm are twisted well toward the outside of the turn.  The pole touch will be down the fall line from your outside heel.


Keep both feet even.  Don't allow the inside foot to go farther forward than the necessity of the stiff boots requires.


See how often your feet are wider than your knees?  Find a good skier alignment shop to get you aligned--straight from hips through knees, through ankles.


This photo of Hirscher shows skiing to the extreme, but illustrates good points:

Counter--skis pointed at 5:00 and chest pointed at 7:00

Straight lines from hip socket joints through knees to feet

post #13 of 15

If you compare the two videos you can see you are skiing more defensively in the steeper one; you are leaning into the hill, which happens to be the inside of the turn for the most part, given how quickly you swing those skis around at the start of the turn.  That leaning in, instead of skiing with counter (balance and rotation), imho, is what contributed most greatly to your tumble.

post #14 of 15
Anthony, you have great skills in the bumps. The ability to flex and extend into the trough is no different in this steep line. Don't move up -- it takes you away from extending Dow the hill. When you are tall you have much less access to the rotary skills that are necessary to turn the skis across the fall line and control your speed.

post #15 of 15
Looks like fun, tball smile.gif

Thanks for sharing!
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