Hi there everyone, i'm a recent member but i've been reading the forum in the last 2 years, excuse my writing skills, i have problems putting my ideas in order, so have a little patience with me:)
I've just bought a pair of nordica dobermann EDT 130, size 27,5 and went on the slopes yesterday to test it, i ski a pair of Atomic Race SL 170 and another pair of Redster D2 GS 179, i'm about 1.9 m tall, and weigh around 69kg
My first pair of boots as a teenager were Rossignol Salto, size 29,5, the next were Nordica Transfire R3 29,5, and now the Nordica Dobermann EDT 130 size 27,5.
At first i was determined to buy the Raptor B2
In the shop i've put on several models, different sizes from Head Raptor B2, Fischer RC4 Vacuum fit 130, Atomic Redster Pro 130, and the Dobermann, which i found to be the snuggest fit. The Raptor B2 28,5 was a total disappointment in build quality( the buckle pivoting rivets were quite loose, because they're pinned only on the exterior side, whereas nordica pins them on both sides of the buckle pivoting mount), also when the buckles are closed, they scratch the plastic, and the micro adjustment exterior tube touches the fixed part of the buckle and scratches the paint away...the nordica buckles seem of a better build quality and the servolock sistem makes them much easier to close under tension.
The Raptor B2 had a firm fit in the area of the lower buckles, but the calf area was extremely large, even with the top buckles tighten at the maximum, with all the spoilers mounted ( velcro + RD slalom spoiler ) and with the booster strap tighten at maximum, fitted through the silver ring, it left a space of about 5 centimeters between the inner wall of the liner and my calf area, so there was virtually no fore/aft support, i could stand upright in them...and the calf plastic was very soft and thin, i think maybe there was something wrong with that pair, because i know that the raptor b2 has one of the snuggest fits there is
I have a low volume foot, 293mm length, 97mm last, and no bumps and protrusions
the boot has a sole length of 315mm, it's the same shell for 27 and 27,5, i thing the 27 liner would pack in to soon because it's thicker so i've chosen 27,5 ( but i'm not sure if there's any real difference between full and half sizes, according to some other topics on the forum )
the front sole protrudes 8 mm to the exterior and the rear sole 6 mm, and assuming that the wall of the boot is at least 3 mm thick ( maybe someone here knows exactly ) the inner shell length at the zeppa level would be 315 - ( 7+5 ) - ( 3+3 ) = 297mm, i will try to do a more accurate measurement
i didn't manage to measure the boot inside because the heel and toe pockets are rounded, so the inner length varies with height, but for sure when doing the shell fit with the foot firmly placed on the zeppa board i have below 10mm distance between the wall and the heel, and i seem to match the last of the boot because there is no sideways play, only a little if i lift the foot
the ankle bones almost touch the metal fittings of the canting screws on the inside and the distance between the navicular area to the boot upper wall is almost 10mm with the buckles not tighten at all
the liner is simple, not laced, has a neoprene pocket at the toe area, and a hard plastic tongue with a thickness of about 20mm
this being said, i think the 315mm shell is the smallest i can fit
during skiing i use a thin sock, because a thicker sock itches my skin and i begin to feel the thousand needle pain
i tighten the buckles at the third tooth for each one, and the velcro strap medium tight, my feet go numb after some time, but not having any abnormal protrusions i feel no pain, or maybe because they're numb i don't feel pain.
If i tighten the calf area harder, i begin to feel the canting screws and they leave little red marks on the skin
anyway after a day of skiing i don't have blisters, just a slight pain on the cuboid protrusion
the only time when they hurt is when i walk to the car with the buckles open, probably because the foot slides fore aft a few milimeters.
i can fit the boot with the liner inside, by splitting the lower folds with my fingers, and only if the boot is warm
if the boot is cold, getting the foot out is very hard and either warm or cold, the foot comes out only together with the liner
even when shellfitting without a liner i have to split the folds to get the foot in, so in my opinion i've chosen a very good fit for me
an other thought was to order the WC EDT 130 for the narrower last and the laced liner ( but i think it's the same thing because the last is narrower, and also the liner is narrower, so it equals the same last for me ), but in Romania, where i'm from, there isn't any real boot fitter and no one has a sole grinding tool, because as you know, the WC models come only lifted and have to be ground to DIN standard ( one idiot "expert" instructor told me that real racers buy shells one number up, because their feet swell, that was a very stupid thing to hear from a ski coach!!!! ) so the bottom line is that you can find proper equipment in romania, but you can not find a public store to proper tune your equipment, so i don't trust anybody
ok so after this long text ( excuse me again if my ideas weren't easy to read ) i have a few questions
1) i've noticed that racers have a very pronounced forward lean, i guess that they really tighten their buckles, i really want that for my boot, but i don't know how to tune it, even if i remove the top screw and the flex gets softer, my knee doesn't get over the binding, it stays a little in front of the toes ( i saw a lange 130rs at a teen racer on the slope and it was very leaned, his tibia had a pronounced forward angle exiting the boot, and his knees were way in front of the toes when he sat in line at the chairlift, but his calf buckles weren't tighten that much, only 2 teeth from 6, but i think it is dangerous to ski like that, too much wobble and you can twist your leg...so the question is do they tune the forward lean from the liner ( like a very thin tongue and a velcro spoiler at the back ) or from the upper boot part? because the upper part of the boot isn't as leaned as the tibia bone...for me all racers seem to have bended tibias:))
should i remove both screws? but then gone will be the rebound...i want an aggressive lean angle with the buckles closed firmly and the velcro booster strap tighten
2) given my foot length of 293mm, do you think i could have got into a 305mm shell ( the next lower size, 26,5 ) ? i think not because those would be impossible to get into,comparing with my actual size, that is quite difficult to fit into
3) the boots are a bit assymetrical, in the way that the overlapped fold on the right boot seems to be a few mm offset from the center line and the lower 2 buckles cannot be closed at the first teeth, because they jump up...is this a problem? when i ski buckled i feel the same fit on both legs, but for sure the distance between the teeth on the overlapped fold and the buckle hinge on the underlapped fold are definitely different between the left and right foot, the proof being that the buckles don't have a grip on the first teeth, but this get's adjusted with the micro setting
4) a general question : are boots more upright in slalom and more forward leaned in GS? or is it the same boot with different flex settings so that the racer can flex it easyer
i will post some photos of the boot tomorrow and hopefully some of you will enlighten me on the vast domain of bootfitting, because i haven't found an adequate technician to get theese things explained...at least in romania the racers are not passionate in my oppinion and they don't know tech stuff, they just ski and don't talk that much...i've talked with a lot of racers and none of them managed to explain to me the forward lean topic...i got plain and rude answers sometimes
as a final info, i'm extremely passionate about ski and i'm a tech guy, i've explained physics phenomena when i was a kid using lego technic, and i've joined this forum because i haven't found a conventional information source, so please help me with a lot of posts
thank you in advance:)