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post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

I have an old pair of Reichle Flexon Comp's used them sparingly and modified them a bit for better fit without a lot information about the boot.  Does anyone know how I could find out the specifications for the boot?  I have tried without much luck on the web and a few local ski shops.  I seem to remember buying them about 84 - 85.

post #2 of 11

Well, this is pretty much the exact same boot:

 

http://en-us.fulltiltboots.com/ski-boots/classic

 

is that the information you were looking for?

post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thanks good info the boots look the same as mine although the plastic shell was hard as a rock. When you are young you give up comfort for performance but that is no longer the case.

post #4 of 11

Comfort and shell stiffness or hardness are unrelated.  Performance and shell stiffness are related.

 

Lou

post #5 of 11

Performance and comfort are a really good thing:beercheer:!!!!!!!!!

 

Some times a stiffer boot will not feel comfortable because of being positioned in the wrong place from a "centered" perspective,

in other words "not stacked" over the boot sole center.  this would cause you to over exert the muscles in your legs and core in order to remain over the ski. which would be "uncomfortable" but could be fixed by re-centering the skier (adjusting the boots forward lean, the boot board and delta angles)

 

mike

post #6 of 11

I think the comfort you are talking about is actually boot/foot comfort and the perception by many people that stiff boots are less comfortable.  If the boots are the same shape then there would be no difference in comfort.  So a Head Raptor for instance in a 115 or 130 flex feels identical and would need identical mods for comfort.

 

Often times very stiff boots are also 98mm  lasts while much softer boots are wider lasts and that accounts for the comfort difference.

 

Lou

post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 

It sounds like semantics but I perceive a difference.  Maybe it is just my definition of the two words.

 

A boot is stiff two ways, forward flex or side to side.  When you flex your knee forward it puts pressure on the front of the ski and the stiffer the boot the more pressure on the front of the ski.  The softer the boot the less pressure on the front of the ski or the less resistance to pushing with the leg.  Side to side stiffness aids you when putting the ski up on edge you move the leg and ski moves. 

 

A hard shell is the density of the plastic and it would follow that the harder the plastic the stiffer the boot.

 

A comfortable boot is one that fits the foot the best.  Sometimes we give up some comfort to get the performance boot we want. Anyway who hasn't tried on a boot in a ski shop that is maybe 72 degrees took it out on a 28 degree day and have it feel different.

post #8 of 11
Thread Starter 


Lou

 

According to the link from Whiteroom in the first reply the Fulltilt boot/Flexon comp has a 99 last and most boots I have seen have a 102 last.  Some of the new heat and fit boots can be stretched to 106 last.  A short time ago I tried on the Technical 10.2 - 120 HVL and according to the Technical web site has a 106 last.  But in the ski shop the box that the boot came from the manufacture had a tag that said 102 last so I do not know what to believe.

post #9 of 11

1)   Fulltilt makes 2 shapes now.  one is the 98/99/narrower version that you have, that is VERY similar to the riachle flexon model.   The other is a different shape/shell that is wider. 

 

2)  shell widths are based on a size 26 boot.  http://www.epicski.com/a/boot-fitting-which-boot-will-work-for-me    width info at the bottom

 

3)   ALL boots can be stretched wider,   up to  10mm per side.   you can't make them smaller/tighter, so make sure the heel fits, and make the front wider IF needed.

 

4) beleive what you FEEL when you try boots on.

post #10 of 11

You are shopping the wrong ski shops.  Every, again Every manufacturer makes boots narrower than 102 and I can't think of a manufacturer that doesn't make 98s and even narrower.  It is only important if the best fit for you is a boot narrower than a 102.  But since the 98mm last corresponds to a "C" width which is average, it should matter to almost everyone.  Most skiers are in a boot that is dramatically too wide and unfortunately too long.

 

You are right boots get stiffer in the cold.  It that lack of ability to flex  puts more pressure on your shin which you then find uncomfortable then you are right stiff boots are less comfortable.  However, it can almost always be fixed.  Most people flex boots far too much.  It is incorrect that proper ski technique relies on boots to prop us up.  We should hold ourselves up by being properly aligned.  When this happens boot flexion diminishes dramatically and the difference between warm and cold boots goes away.

 

Either way you said "give up comfort for performance" and I disagree that is ever necessary if working with a good boot fitter.

 

Lou

post #11 of 11
Thread Starter 

I agree most people are in ski boots too large for them and that all the manufactures make a 98/99 boot, their racing boots I would guess.  Their other boots for advanced and intermediate skiers may be 102's.  If 98/99 = a C width shoe I think the 102's must = a D width.  I think that most shoe manufactures today use D as their medium width and E, EE, EEE, and EEEE as a wide through extra wide.  My running shoe is a 10 or 10.5 EEEE New Balance and my ski boot is a 27.5 but the Flexion Comp is a size 9.  I thing I am going give up the idea about trying to get back into that boot.

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