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Take off the electronic Stability program, but the car in dynamic mode,  push the brake pedal down and hold it,

then floor the car, the engine hovers at about 3500 RPM..........................................................Let off the brake!!!!!

It is ridiculous!yahoo.gif

Remember this is Quattro with 255/35ZR19's tires on it and a sport differential! 


I would love it. My Camry definitely would be incapable for so many reasons.

Camry with launch control!! Lol.
Well here ya go. A Camry with Launch control and 850 horsepower to boot. Not good mpg though.
Blow Atomicman off the road with the Camry's 335/30/18 tires!!
06-toyota-camry-dragster-sema-1.jpg
http://www.gadgetreview.com/2014/11/toyota-sleeper-camry
post #122 of 1234
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I agree to an extent that you really don't " need" AWD here in Tahoe, I have Faux Wheel Drive on my Jetta wagon to get through chain control but I wil say that I have never gotten near 50mpg, more like 40 mpg. My neighbor has a newer Outback and she is getting 28 in just around town driving and will creep over 30 if her driving is what mine is going back and forth to Truckee. We drove a 15 Outback and were quite impressed with the handling and more impressed with the usable space, although the new Golf will be bigger than the current Jetta that we have. The Jetta handles well but no way it is a back roads burner.

VW says that the new Golf wagon is slightly bigger than the Jetta wagon, though their own cargo numbers seem to disagree, unless they're measuring differently.  According to the VW website:

 

Golf wagon: 30.4 cf seat up / 66.5 cf seats folded

Jetta wagon: 32.8 / 66.9.  

post #123 of 1234
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Outback is slower than dirt and only gets around 26 mpg. With the GSW, you get 50 on the highway, superior handling, and the joy of a manual. Its a no brainer.

 

Besides, AWD is a total waste of money and robs power and mileage. If you have proper snow tires, there is no need for AWD especially in Tahoe where it doesn't snow.

I've never owned AWD, but would really like it.  I run snows on my 2002 Saab 9-5 wagon (manual, with original clutch) and it's OK, but I find that the snows really don't remain that effective for too long, especially since most of my winter driving is on clear pavement.  Honestly, my old Corolla was better in the snow.

 

With that said, we're at the point where we will need to either replace or supplement the Saab.  We want a wagon, since I don't relish putting bikes on top of an SUV or crossover.  Front wheel drive is probably OK, though I'd prefer AWD.  Want safe vehicle, good gas mileage, good cargo space, decent back seat for my tall teen daughter, and wan't a car that's somewhat enjoyable to drive, ideally with a stick.  All are not available in one vehicle.  

 

Any thoughts on the following, which we are considering:

  • Golf wagon TDI (should we wait until AWD Alltrak?)
  • Volvo V60 (FWD=much better mileage, AWD available)
  • Volvo XC70 (V6 only, not great mileage in either FWD or AWD; small cargo capacity)
  • Audi Allroad 
  • BMW 328 wagon (beautiful, but expensive and small)
  • Subaru Outback (most practical, but my wife and daughter hate them)
  • Prius V (great cargo, great gas mileage, but driving experience?  No AWD)
  • Acura TSX wagon (are they still available?  No AWD)
  • Mercedes E350 (expensive, not all that much cargo space all things considered)

 

Other SUVs we're considering: Audi Q5, Mazda CX5, others?

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From what I've seen, the Mazda is the best "bang for the buck", but IMO it's not very esthetically pleasing...(looks like a large mouth bass to me  LOL)

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Camry with launch control!! Lol.
Well here ya go. A Camry with Launch control and 850 horsepower to boot. Not good mpg though.
Blow Atomicman off the road with the Camry's 335/30/18 tires!!
06-toyota-camry-dragster-sema-1.jpg
http://www.gadgetreview.com/2014/11/toyota-sleeper-camry

Well if you are going to the race car route!

 

 

 

BYE BYE! :D

post #126 of 1234
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I've never owned AWD, but would really like it.  I run snows on my 2002 Saab 9-5 wagon (manual, with original clutch) and it's OK, but I find that the snows really don't remain that effective for too long, especially since most of my winter driving is on clear pavement.  Honestly, my old Corolla was better in the snow.

 

With that said, we're at the point where we will need to either replace or supplement the Saab.  We want a wagon, since I don't relish putting bikes on top of an SUV or crossover.  Front wheel drive is probably OK, though I'd prefer AWD.  Want safe vehicle, good gas mileage, good cargo space, decent back seat for my tall teen daughter, and wan't a car that's somewhat enjoyable to drive, ideally with a stick.  All are not available in one vehicle.  

 

Any thoughts on the following, which we are considering:

  • Golf wagon TDI (should we wait until AWD Alltrak?)
  • Volvo V60 (FWD=much better mileage, AWD available)
  • Volvo XC70 (V6 only, not great mileage in either FWD or AWD; small cargo capacity)
  • Audi Allroad 
  • BMW 328 wagon (beautiful, but expensive and small)
  • Subaru Outback (most practical, but my wife and daughter hate them)
  • Prius V (great cargo, great gas mileage, but driving experience?  No AWD)
  • Acura TSX wagon (are they still available?  No AWD)
  • Mercedes E350 (expensive, not all that much cargo space all things considered)

 

Other SUVs we're considering: Audi Q5, Mazda CX5, others?

We also looked at many of your choices as we too wanted to stay with a wagon ( we had an Audi S6). My son is 6'4" so my 5'9" wife tended to ride in the back seat with my daughter. My wife did not fit behind me or my son in the VW JSW, Volvo V60, Audi allroad or the BMW 3. We did fit in the E350 but it more than we wanted to spend. The Q5 was a good fit, but it seemed a little short on cargo space. We ended up in a Touareg TDI. It has been a great choice for us. My son can comfortably ride in the back seat, too.

 

 

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We also looked at many of your choices as we too wanted to stay with a wagon ( we had an Audi S6). My son is 6'4" so my 5'9" wife tended to ride in the back seat with my daughter. My wife did not fit behind me or my son in the VW JSW, Volvo V60, Audi allroad or the BMW 3. We did fit in the E350 but it more than we wanted to spend. The Q5 was a good fit, but it seemed a little short on cargo space. We ended up in a Touareg TDI. It has been a great choice for us. My son can comfortably ride in the back seat, too.


VW puts a premium on back seat space, apparently. It's the same with the little Tiguan. We tried lots of small SUVs, but only the Tiguan had real back seat acreage. Comes at the expense of cargo space, but there's enough room for four big boot bags at least, without piling. Of course there's only three of us (the extra bag was my son's buddy's).
post #128 of 1234
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VW puts a premium on back seat space, apparently.

 

Agreed.  Our '12 Golf actually has more rear legroom than our '08 Outback.

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This article says no TDI for USA.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-vw-golf-sportwagen-alltrack-first-drive-review

 

Not surprised at all. Why put in the the best selling drivetrain that is currently offered in the Jetta SW? Count this as fail #394753 from VW. I am officially on my LAST VW product....good bye. 

post #131 of 1234
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Not surprised at all. Why put in the the best selling drivetrain that is currently offered in the Jetta SW?
Count this as fail #394753 from VW. I am officially on my LAST VW product....good bye. 

We had some minor issues with our 2010 TDI wagon, same car as you I believe, but did feel compelled to get the extended warranty, which we are at the break even point now. Minus the time.

The alltrack w/o TDI is a less interesting product than the Outback overall. Yes it will probably handle a little better, I have a legacy GT now so I am not pulling this out of my booty (I said booty) butt (ha there again) the outback fits my needs better.
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I have to say that I think it's funny that people are complaining about the Alltrack not having a TDI option or a manual option and then saying they'll buy an Outback instead. I don't think you can get it in a manual diesel either.

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I have to say that I think it's funny that people are complaining about the Alltrack not having a TDI option or a manual option and then saying they'll buy an Outback instead. I don't think you can get it in a manual diesel either.

The only reason I considered the VW was the diesel, as a gas motor option, I like the Subaru. As far as an automatic, the upkeep of the DSG is an additional cost that I don't want to deal with. 

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This is interesting. It says no diesel because the urea system will not fit with AWD. Do euro-spec cars not require urea injection?

 

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-vw-golf-sportwagen-alltrack-first-drive-review

post #135 of 1234
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This is interesting. It says no diesel because the urea system will not fit with AWD. Do euro-spec cars not require urea injection?

 

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-vw-golf-sportwagen-alltrack-first-drive-review


No, Euro's are concerned about CO2 emissions, in the US we worry about particulate, sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide which mix with water in the atmospere to create acid rain.  The Urea systems helps capture NO.

post #136 of 1234
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Thats pretty darn good. Can you measure how far it is from the back of the front seat to the tailgate? 

 

Distance from driver's seat (in my normal position) to the tailgate I measure 5'6".  Diagonally I measure 6'6".  

 

And yes, the X1 comes only with an auto.  An 8-speed in the 28i and a 6-speed in 35i.  I wouldn't call the storage space large (about the same as my previous WRX wagon) but it's adequate for my needs.  The X1 is really a slightly tall wagon/hatch built on the previous gen 3-series chassis, not an SUV.  BMW even lists the X1's sales with cars, not trucks like the other X's.  It's the last BMW still using hydraulic power steering, retaining that classic BMW road feel.  

post #137 of 1234
I want this car but don't want frequent visits to shops. Can I rely on VWs?
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I want this car but don't want frequent visits to shops. Can I rely on VWs?

127K on our 2010 JSW TDI..out of warranty trips to service:

 

  • 1 glow plug.
  • A/C needed recharging
  • Sunroof screen tore up

 

Not much more or less than any other car with hat kind of milage. 

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I wish VW had introduced it earlier here.  We will order a new car soon, before the Alltrak is here.  I test drove the FWD Golf wagon TDI with a stick and really liked it, apart from the pleather seats.  

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127K on our 2010 JSW TDI..out of warranty trips to service:
  • 1 glow plug.
  • A/C needed recharging
  • Sunroof screen tore up

Not much more or less than any other car with hat kind of milage. 
where was your car assembled, Germany or our neighbor?
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127K on our 2010 JSW TDI..out of warranty trips to service:
  • 1 glow plug.
  • A/C needed recharging
  • Sunroof screen tore up

Not much more or less than any other car with hat kind of milage. 
where was your car assembled, Germany or our neighbor?

Our neighbor to the south which I never gave much concern with. I guess it is a Chiweenie...I shall now name him Goucho Marx. 

post #142 of 1234
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I want this car but don't want frequent visits to shops. Can I rely on VWs?

 

VW falls somewhere in the middle in terms of reliability, all brands considered — below industry average, but not abysmally. 

 

I bought a 3 year old VW two years ago, and I've had no issues that a recall didn't fix (;)).  

It came with a 2 year bumper-to-bumper warranty, a ten year rust warranty, and a lifetime engine warranty.

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I always wonder whose lifetime..
post #144 of 1234
Our repairs are now beyond the cost of the extended warranty we purchased and this did include one issue that left the car undriveable.

Not sure we'd repurchase. 2010 diesel sportwagen.
post #145 of 1234
Certified Preowned BMW 328 xDrive wagon with about 35K miles, warranty 2 additional years on top of 4 year initial warranty or up to 100K, $25K. You can find them:

Here's a manual: http://cpo.bmwusa.com/certified/BMW/2012-BMW-328i+xDrive+Sports+Wagon-7439927f0a0e0adf4686ae8db9339a93.htm

Dealer is overpriced; offer 28...
post #146 of 1234
Wow, if only it were 800 miles closer..
post #147 of 1234
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Wow, if only it were 800 miles closer..

One way flight..enjoy the drive home getting to know your new car. And take a look at Craigslists that are on the route for wheels for snow tires. I flew to Minn for a car, its more fun than you would think. 

post #148 of 1234
For warranty work I'd have to go four+ hours each way to Spokane, totally negating any benefit of a warranty.

There's a BMW X3 down at my mechanic's I keep meaning to throw a ski into. I suspect that will preclude a test drive, although I might do it anyway. Didn't run down because it's got 90k on it.
post #149 of 1234
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This would be a sweet ski car with a diesel and a stick...

 


Of course another VW we won't see in the U.S. 

post #150 of 1234
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For warranty work I'd have to go four+ hours each way to Spokane, totally negating any benefit of a warranty.

There's a BMW X3 down at my mechanic's I keep meaning to throw a ski into. I suspect that will preclude a test drive, although I might do it anyway. Didn't run down because it's got 90k on it.

You very well could negotiate the extended warranty out of the price. Dealers do not pay for the warranty until they are submitted at the time of sale. 

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