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post #1171 of 1234

VW Group America did hold a press event in Oregon, and invited the magazines and V-loggers.

 

TFLcar, I know has a sample Alltrack at their base in Colorado.

post #1172 of 1234
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Originally Posted by NJskier164 View Post

There are plenty of SW 4motions with sticks around, but no Alltrack sticks are on the market with the initial roll-out.

We didn't think to try tilting the passenger seat back forward, it never occurred to us to try. Do you have an aversion to roof racks. Lol


Yep.  Much easier to toss the board in my V70R, as the front passenger seat back flips forward and then if I am having breakfast, I don't come back to a missing board off the roof :hopmad:

So yes, the seat flipping forward is a big deal for me.

post #1173 of 1234
Yeah, sounds like a good idea. I'll let you know after we take delivery. Looks like the final decision on the tdi settlement has been postponed
Edited by NJskier164 - 10/21/16 at 6:38am
post #1174 of 1234
It might have been a motormouth review..."the Alltrack has off-road traction control that the SW 4motion doesn't". Not sure if there is any substance to that review remark.
post #1175 of 1234
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It might have been a motormouth review..."the Alltrack has off-road traction control that the SW 4motion doesn't". Not sure if there is any substance to that review remark.

I believe that is correct, the alltrack has an "off road" mode that the regular 4 motion lacks. Not sure if it's at the same level as the 4xmotion or if it's just additional programming for control.
post #1176 of 1234
The gas pedal becomes sort of weird and "non-responsive", I guess it takes more push to achieve motion maybe allowing for finer control instead of spinning the wheels? A light also appears on the dash that might signal traction control has been turned off. (Little picture of a sliding car lights up.) I'm sure they describe it all somewhere, but that's what I noticed when I headed down my gravel hill. Not sure I will use it, it might add five minutes to my trip to the grocery store. Possibly when it's snowy, but I might want to find something that says "off road" can be used in the snow.
post #1177 of 1234

Excellent video with commentary by a VW representative (my apologies if someone has already posted this up...I didnt go looking at past posts in this thread):

 

http://www.tflcar.com/2016/09/new-2017-vw-golf-sportwagen-4motion-vs-vw-golf-alltrack-mashup-review-video/

post #1178 of 1234
One of my favorite reviewers on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSddrE9XhWg
post #1179 of 1234
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Originally Posted by NJskier164 View Post


I believe that is correct, the alltrack has an "off road" mode that the regular 4 motion lacks. Not sure if it's at the same level as the 4xmotion or if it's just additional programming for control.


4XMotion would mean it would have a Borg Warner transfer case, that will allow it to shift into 4-Low.

post #1180 of 1234
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4XMotion would mean it would have a Borg Warner transfer case, that will allow it to shift into 4-Low.

That's interesting, I did not know there was a 4W Low in those cars.  So it sounds like some of the electronic controls from that system but not the heavy-duty hardware.

It's a shame the Touareg has such a crappy reliability reputation, it really would be a perfect car for me.

post #1181 of 1234
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

The gas pedal becomes sort of weird and "non-responsive", I guess it takes more push to achieve motion maybe allowing for finer control instead of spinning the wheels? A light also appears on the dash that might signal traction control has been turned off. (Little picture of a sliding car lights up.) I'm sure they describe it all somewhere, but that's what I noticed when I headed down my gravel hill. Not sure I will use it, it might add five minutes to my trip to the grocery store. Possibly when it's snowy, but I might want to find something that says "off road" can be used in the snow.

The reprogrammed "load sensor" at the gas pedal means it would be less responsive, spinning a wheel means a break in traction, thus momentum.

 

The off-road mode also activates the hill descent control, which is what you noticed going down a gravel hill.

 

when it's snowy, I assume you'll be getting winter tires, right?

post #1182 of 1234
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Originally Posted by NJskier164 View Post
 

That's interesting, I did not know there was a 4W Low in those cars.  So it sounds like some of the electronic controls from that system but not the heavy-duty hardware.

It's a shame the Touareg has such a crappy reliability reputation, it really would be a perfect car for me.


The Touareg  has a Torsen center diff since 2011 - no  low gear. The alltrack has a Haldex electro-hydrolic center diff.


Edited by x10003q - 11/7/16 at 10:37am
post #1183 of 1234
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The Touareg  has a Torsen center diff since 2011 - no  low gear. The alltrack has a Haldex electro-hydrolic center diff.


the haldex system on the alltrack doesn't have a center diff, as the coupling is placed ahead of the rear differential.

post #1184 of 1234
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

The gas pedal becomes sort of weird and "non-responsive", I guess it takes more push to achieve motion maybe allowing for finer control instead of spinning the wheels? A light also appears on the dash that might signal traction control has been turned off. (Little picture of a sliding car lights up.) I'm sure they describe it all somewhere, but that's what I noticed when I headed down my gravel hill. Not sure I will use it, it might add five minutes to my trip to the grocery store. Possibly when it's snowy, but I might want to find something that says "off road" can be used in the snow.
The reprogrammed "load sensor" at the gas pedal means it would be less responsive, spinning a wheel means a break in traction, thus momentum.

The off-road mode also activates the hill descent control, which is what you noticed going down a gravel hill.

when it's snowy, I assume you'll be getting winter tires, right?

Of course. Hakka 8's. We've got serious winter here. I don't know anyone stupid enough to run All Seasons.
post #1185 of 1234
After reading these posts since it's beginning, I figured I would look at one now that they are in the showrooms. I have an 09 Jetta sedan. Only a few issues, yet car runs and looks like new and drives great. Very good mph also. Yet at 6' tall, it is a pain getting in and out since it sits so low. This also a problem in snow, especially parking. Love the Alltrack. What a great looking car. Cavernous front seats. Plenty of cargo space. I took a tape measure to ensure I can fit some golf bags. Looks like it can also fit a reasonable amount of luggage. And it sits higher than the Jetta. HOWEVER, my only problem is the very tight rear passenger seats. Frequently I have one of my brothers or a buddy back there on long weekend trips. Both larger than me. I pulled my driver's seat up for me to be somewhat comfortable, and jumped in the back. STILL tight. Leg room was bearable. Yet no room for feet. They don't even go under the front seats. My Jetta has more rear seat room. I think my parents, both in there 80s, will be tight also, when driving them around. What a shame, I want to stick with German vehicles. Another downside is that it is made in Mexico. VW was going to build a plant in TN(I think) yet scrapped that for Mexico. If I had this for myself and another person, I would jump on it. I will, if and when the time comes, get an Outback, made here in the USA too. Sorry for bringing in politics in to this great thread.
NOW, if I can only hit the lottery, I will get an X5. smile.gif
post #1186 of 1234

VW does build the Passat in their plant in Tennessee, and will build the new Atlas there as well.  Sounds like that may be the vehicle you need.

post #1187 of 1234
I like the Alltrack because the AWD/4WD. Passat, no AWD and Atlas probably too big. And I would buy the Alltrack regardless of where it is built, if it was more roomier. I also love the Touereg. But it is way overpriced, Nav and moonroof, low $50k? And premium fuel? For the same price, or a hair more, I can get the Q7.
post #1188 of 1234

From what I saw, the Atlas won't be any bigger that the Toureg, and I would bet the Toureg would be discontinued, since the Atlas would be sold at a lower price point

post #1189 of 1234
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From what I saw, the Atlas won't be any bigger that the Toureg, and I would bet the Toureg would be discontinued, since the Atlas would be sold at a lower price point


The Atlas is 198 inches long and the Touareg is 188 inches long. They have to fit that 3rd row somewhere.;)

 

These things are going to max out price wise somewhere near the Touareg.

post #1190 of 1234

Yeah,now that I took a closer look at the specs, I see it's going to be pretty darn big.  And expensive.  I was hoping for something a bit bigger than the Tiguan with a V6.  Guess I'll stick with my Mitubishi :o

post #1191 of 1234
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I like the Alltrack because the AWD/4WD. Passat, no AWD and Atlas probably too big. And I would buy the Alltrack regardless of where it is built, if it was more roomier. I also love the Touereg. But it is way overpriced, Nav and moonroof, low $50k? And premium fuel? For the same price, or a hair more, I can get the Q7.

the Touareg is overpriced, because it still rides on a platform that has limited usage.  But, you also trade 2 seats for more off-road capability (though it loses 4XMotion in the US).

 

You can run regular on it, at the expense of power & tq, as the knock sensors will be retarding the timing to avoid knock.


Edited by tanscrazydaisy - 11/14/16 at 7:43am
post #1192 of 1234

Premium fuel on the Tiguan was a huge turn-off for that car for us, given that it didn't drive as anything special, and the interior space was very disappointing.

post #1193 of 1234
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Premium fuel on the Tiguan was a huge turn-off for that car for us, given that it didn't drive as anything special, and the interior space was very disappointing.

the new Tiguan will fix the space issue.  It will be compare to the Outlander & Rogue in size.

 

the outlander still drives like a boat.  I much prefer the handling on the Tiguan (when it's not in winter mode, with squishy 215/65r16 studless snow/ice tires).

 

DOn't mind the premium fuel requirement, especially after the winter, I'll get the ECU reprogrammed for more power & torque.

post #1194 of 1234

The Tiguan is a much smaller vehicle than the Outlander, so of course it handles better. And it won't tow a 2500 lb boat, either (I have the V6).  A better comparison would be the Mazda CX5

post #1195 of 1234
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Originally Posted by NJskier164 View Post
 

The Tiguan is a much smaller vehicle than the Outlander, so of course it handles better. And it won't tow a 2500 lb boat, either (I have the V6).  A better comparison would be the Mazda CX5

 

Smaller doesn't necessarily mean it will handle better.  It's about the suspension tuning.  Smaller means less cargo capacity but easier parking.  I was in Montreal recently, I noticed a lot more concentration of Tiguans there, since I have a Tiguan as well...  you have more choices of parking spaces in the residential areas, due to its smaller length. 

 

Since you have a V6, isn't premium required on the V6?  Since you were complaining about using premium on a Tiguan, I assume you are using premium on the V6.

 

Also, the replacement Tiguan will be sized comparably to a Outlander & Rogue, with the option for 7 seats.

post #1196 of 1234

IMO, anytime you have a bigger mass, the responsiveness suffers. I would like to have better shock valving on my Outlander; having had German cars most of my life, and usually upgrading to Koni or Bilsteins when replacement time came, this is one area Asian cars seems to be lacking. And there are no options in the aftermarket I have found for the Outlander.

 

Yes,the V6 does require premium, typically i use mid-grade 50% of time, and nothing seems to suffer for it (although when towing a boat, I will be sure to have premium in it).  My gripe with the Tiguan is that it doesn;t provide any more space inside than a Golf...that's not what I want in an SUV no matter how good it handles. Two suitcases, two pairs of skis, and two boot bags were almost too much to be contained inside.  And the Alltrack does not require premium. I don't know if the newer Tiguans may still require it.  My wife considered a Tiguan until we rented one, when the time came a Golf TDI was a much better choice (and was way more fun to drive).  We weren;t very impressed by the fuel mileage of the Tiguan, either.

 

The Alltrack is a near perfect choice for us, although the fuel mileage the TDI gives will be missed. But the smell of refueling won't be.

 

A few years ago when I was in the Czech Republic, I was driven around in a TDI Tiguan.  If that was available in the US, we would probably have bought one.  And be getting ready to trade it in LOL

post #1197 of 1234
Just ordered the Hakka's for the car I haven't received yet, and placed an order for spare wheels as well. Am afraid if they are not ready to go, won't be able to take the car home. I would like to drive it for a week first before swapping the tires, but I might not have that luxury. Due in the first week of December.
post #1198 of 1234

Awesome!  What did you end up getting?

 

Our dealer got in an SE in the tornado red/beige interior my wife ordered, but without the driver assist package.  As soon as the sales manager spotted it, he said "clean it up, it's going straight into the showroom".  It's a nice looking combo.

post #1199 of 1234
I wanted the driver assist. But most of them are on the East coast. The ones I've found in the Blue/Black SEL are all "sold" en route, even casting out a thousand mile net (Have checked into four so far.) If I didn't really need new snow tires for the old car, I'd wait. But can't stand the idea of spending that money, so accepted a still-in-transit SEL with no package. I tell myself most of the stuff in the package is more needed in an urban environment, but... I still want it!
post #1200 of 1234

I hear you on the snow tires...a lot of money to shell out on a car you want to replace.  The most important item in the driver's assist package I could see for where live is the bi-xenon adaptive headlights. My wife wants that, but I'm afraid to find out what it may cost to retrofit!  We/re going to experiment with better halogen bulbs and maybe LED bulbs in her Golf while she still has it.

 

So midnight blue or silk blue?

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