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More damp Brahma?

post #1 of 25
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I've been on my Brahmas every day this season. Really like everything about it. I'd like it even better if it were as damp as my MX78's were. I know the MX88 would fit the bill, but I'm not willing to give up the tail of the Brahma. I'm sure it's ALL technique (my lack of) but the square Kastle tail just won't release for me the way the Brahma does.

 

Does the ski I'm looking for exist or should I just deal with the ski that is really good most of the time for me?

post #2 of 25
There really isn't a reason you shouldn't be able to get the tail of the MX88 to release, but it does have to do with how you turn. Are you skiing a lot of bumps using a significant amount of pivoting?
post #3 of 25
The upcoming Kendo for 2016 might be what you are looking for. When I skied it this year, I thougt, "this feels like the Brahma, only a bit more dampening".
post #4 of 25
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Like I said, I'm sure it's all lack of technique. The reality is that the years I skied the MX78 daily I probably skied my best. But, I always had to be "on" to enjoy them. They don't like a lazy skier. Or, I don't like what happens when I skied them lazily.

 

The square tails gave me issues the when the conditions worsened or the trails were narrow and steep. On the other hand, death cookies and refrozen crap were a non-issue for the Kastles. While the Brahmas blast that stuff too, you definitely feel it more.

post #5 of 25
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

The upcoming Kendo for 2016 might be what you are looking for. When I skied it this year, I thougt, "this feels like the Brahma, only a bit more dampening".


I guess I'd have to demo these. Dawg's review scared me away from them.

 

Where do the new Monster 88's fit?  I owned several of the older Monster skis and always liked those.

post #6 of 25

The Monster 88 is going to be a great ski, but if you are looking for the feeling of tail rocker (or much tip rocker) it's not the ski. It's not quite as 'traditional' as the Kastle MX series... but it's as close as it gets.

post #7 of 25

Maybe FX84?

post #8 of 25
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

The Monster 88 is going to be a great ski, but if you are looking for the feeling of tail rocker (or much tip rocker) it's not the ski. It's not quite as 'traditional' as the Kastle MX series... but it's as close as it gets.

On my feet, the monster released much easier than an mx88. It was a perfect balance between locked in and releasable for me. Will be purchasing next year.
post #9 of 25
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Originally Posted by RatherPlayThanWork View Post
 

I've been on my Brahmas every day this season. Really like everything about it. I'd like it even better if it were as damp as my MX78's were. I know the MX88 would fit the bill, but I'm not willing to give up the tail of the Brahma. I'm sure it's ALL technique (my lack of) but the square Kastle tail just won't release for me the way the Brahma does.

 

Does the ski I'm looking for exist or should I just deal with the ski that is really good most of the time for me?

At the number of skis I demo... and buy... believe me, there is no perfect ski... And even if there was, you change, your tastes or what you want from your skis can also change so; like I experienced this year, a ski that you tought was perfect, could be otherwise one day...

Having said that, if your ready to go wider or narrower, the Bonafide (and from what I've heard so far: the latigo) are a notch damper than the Brahma... A really nice carver and great ski in bumps is the motive 95!

 

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

The upcoming Kendo for 2016 might be what you are looking for. When I skied it this year, I thougt, "this feels like the Brahma, only a bit more dampening".

I used to own the 2012 ( pre rocker era), I really liked this ski in bumps and 1-5 inches of fresh snow... But no good in more snow and seriously lacking dampness ( for my liking)... And if the 2016 is like you say, it will be a killer!

 

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Maybe FX84?

The 2016 is supposed to be less stiff and lighter and the lenghts are changing

post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
 

Maybe FX84?

This was my idea also. Past two season's FX's, since they went to .4 mm metal, are really like MX's with a touch more forgiving start and finish. Get the 2015 model. While you can. 

post #11 of 25
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
 

This was my idea also. Past two season's FX's, since they went to .4 mm metal, are really like MX's with a touch more forgiving start and finish. Get the 2015 model. While you can.

+1.  I've loved my 2014 version this year (same setup as the 2015).

post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by RatherPlayThanWork View Post
 

Like I said, I'm sure it's all lack of technique. The reality is that the years I skied the MX78 daily I probably skied my best. But, I always had to be "on" to enjoy them. They don't like a lazy skier. Or, I don't like what happens when I skied them lazily.

 

The square tails gave me issues the when the conditions worsened or the trails were narrow and steep. On the other hand, death cookies and refrozen crap were a non-issue for the Kastles. While the Brahmas blast that stuff too, you definitely feel it more.

 

 

I'd say get a ski that will make you a better skier. You'll adjust.

 

I've never quite got the Brahma/Bonafide bug. The brahma, I want the 180 without all the crazy tip flap that kicks in at about 25mph. With the 187, it just feels like a ski that's half toy, half thug. When it grows up, it wants more contact area and less length... either that or I just want them to be a different ski altogether.  But, we're into subjective land here. I just like more traditional skis for the mission of a ski like the Brahma.

 

(6'0", #205 for reference)


Edited by markojp - 3/30/15 at 12:40pm
post #13 of 25

An option that hasn't been mentioned and I do think it fits the need even more than the Kastles mentioned is the Stockli Stormrider 88 another damp smooth ski that is a top contender for what he is looking for. 

post #14 of 25

Would the Monster 88 fit into those options, is it damp enough (even compared to the SR 88)?  A bit more traditional than the Brahma, etc?

post #15 of 25
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Originally Posted by Gunnerbob View Post
 

Would the Monster 88 fit into those options, is it damp enough (even compared to the SR 88)?  A bit more traditional than the Brahma, etc?

It is but he is looking for a ski more like the Brahma and the Monster is more like the Kastle MX88. 

post #16 of 25
I liked all 3. Brahma, sr88, and monster. But for me, the sr 88s tip taper made no sense, too bad because loved the smoothness. The brahma worked and didn't get the tip flap someone mentioned. For me to he monster 88 had the best combo of shape, flex, and smoothness. Thought much more user friendly then the mx88 in bumps and such because easier to release tail when needed. JMHO
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post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post
 

More damp Brahma: ;)

http://www.epicski.com/t/133925/fs-blizzard-magnum-8-5-new-181-cm


Owned a pair before my Brahmas. Like the brahmas better, though it could be the longer length I prefer.

post #19 of 25
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Owned a pair before my Brahmas. Like the brahmas better, though it could be the longer length I prefer.

So you like the 187 in bumps and thight places? If so, you're just a better skier than me and I hate you for that...;)

I owned a 187 Brahma and really liked it on-piste but in bumps... So I switch to a 180 and made a compromise but not damp enough so I came back to my magnum...

post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post
 

So you like the 187 in bumps and thight places? If so, you're just a better skier than me and I hate you for that...;)

I owned a 187 Brahma and really liked it on-piste but in bumps... So I switch to a 180 and made a compromise but not damp enough so I came back to my magnum...


No. I'm on the 180 Brahma, but my 8.5 Mags were 174's which were fine on groomed surfaces but too short when trying to ski crud. The Brahmas are better in crud, I just wish they were a little more damp in certain conditions.

 

I hate this time of the year. I have access to killer deals on both the FX84 and the SR88. Both come highly recommended but I have no way to demo now. If I wait till next year to demo, those deals will be long gone. If the mood strikes I might pull the trigger on one of these.

post #21 of 25
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post
 

 

 

I'd say get a ski that will make you a better skier. You'll adjust.

 

I've never quite got the Brahma/Bonafide bug. The brahma, I want the 180 without all the crazy tip flap that kicks in at about 25mph. With the 187, it just feels like a ski that's half toy, half thug.

Never had the tip flap with the Brahma, even on some pretty fast runs.  If it is flapping, it doesn't result in the unstable feel you get when a fully cambered ski flaps from being pushed past it's limits.

 

I do agree, it is part thug and port toy.  For that I love it so. :)

post #22 of 25
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post
 

At the number of skis I demo... and buy... believe me, there is no perfect ski... And even if there was, you change, your tastes or what you want from your skis can also change so; like I experienced this year, a ski that you tought was perfect, could be otherwise one day...

Having said that, if your ready to go wider or narrower, the Bonafide (and from what I've heard so far: the latigo) are a notch damper than the Brahma... A really nice carver and great ski in bumps is the motive 95!

 

I recently demoed the Latigo, Brahma and the  2016 Bonafide and Cochise.  I found  the Latigo to be very soft  and found the  tip  flapped  a  lot  due  to  the  lack of   metal. I had  no  issues with   the  Brahma  with tip  flap. I loved  the Bonafide because it did everything imaginable and was incredibly damp, the addition of carbon fiber in the tip and tail is to dampen the ski, not reduce weight.  The carbon combined with two and a half sheets of metal really makes for a damp ski. In my opinion the bonafide and brahma ski similarly, largely differing in feel due to differences in turn radius due to slightly different shapes.  If you are looking for a ski with a similar feel to the brahma I would definitely check out the 2016 bonafide as well as all the previously mentioned skis.  Sorry for the rant

post #23 of 25
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Originally Posted by Jonlevy77 View Post
 

I recently demoed the Latigo, Brahma and the  2016 Bonafide and Cochise.  I found  the Latigo to be very soft  and found the  tip  flapped  a  lot  due  to  the  lack of   metal. I had  no  issues with   the  Brahma  with tip  flap. I loved  the Bonafide because it did everything imaginable and was incredibly damp, the addition of carbon fiber in the tip and tail is to dampen the ski, not reduce weight.  The carbon combined with two and a half sheets of metal really makes for a damp ski. In my opinion the bonafide and brahma ski similarly, largely differing in feel due to differences in turn radius due to slightly different shapes.  If you are looking for a ski with a similar feel to the brahma I would definitely check out the 2016 bonafide as well as all the previously mentioned skis.  Sorry for the rant

 

The 2016 Bonafide is definitely more damp than my Brahma, If I lived a little further West than NJ I'd happily ski that. But as an EC daily driver I feel I'm pushing the width limit at 88. Not looking to go wider, just more damp.

post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by Jonlevy77 View Post
 

I recently demoed the Latigo, Brahma and the  2016 Bonafide and Cochise.  I found  the Latigo to be very soft  and found the  tip  flapped  a  lot  due  to  the  lack of   metal. I had  no  issues with   the  Brahma  with tip  flap. I loved  the Bonafide because it did everything imaginable and was incredibly damp, the addition of carbon fiber in the tip and tail is to dampen the ski, not reduce weight.  The carbon combined with two and a half sheets of metal really makes for a damp ski. In my opinion the bonafide and brahma ski similarly, largely differing in feel due to differences in turn radius due to slightly different shapes.  If you are looking for a ski with a similar feel to the brahma I would definitely check out the 2016 bonafide as well as all the previously mentioned skis.  Sorry for the rant

They all have 2 sheets of titanal plus another one underfoot... It is the wood core that is different: Poplar-Bamboo-Paulownia-Wood for the Brahma and the Bonafide; but just poplar for the Latigo... So less stiff...

post #25 of 25
Look if it's damp your looking for the SR88 is my pick. I skied the FX 84 for 1 run then a 1/2 run to get to truck to swap out for the 88s. They felt like toys after skiing the 88s,just didn't like the feel at all. Momma got me the Latigos half way threw season as gift and I enjoy them but no ways near the 88s. There was 1 time I did swap out the Latigo for the 88s and that was on hard pack with cookies, my knees were getting pounded and the 88s smoothed it out a lot.
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