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Any thoughts on these skis?

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

I have been looking at the end of season sales, for a ski to take out west

Me: 5'-7", 190lbs , level 2 instructor

ski for  bumps , trees ,  powder, crud

 

looking at / narrowed down to:

 

dynastar powertrack 89

 

salomon x-drive 8.8

 

line supernatural 92

 

There are some good deals around right now, but nobody has anything to demo.

 

thoughts?

post #2 of 19

Those are not what I would consider for a one ski quiver for the west.

 

http://earlyups.com/earlyups-test-sessions/

 

  • Armada Invictus – Waist Width: 108 – Rating: 4 Stars – A big mountain competition style ski with very good stability at speed in variable conditions with enough agility to not punish the skier. For a place like Jackson its a hair too skinny to be a perfect do-everything ski though a place that receives less snow it could be ideal. If you have a number of skis, the Invictus is an awesome centerpiece to a quiver. If you are at all jibby/park oriented look elsewhere.
  • Atomic Automatic 109 – Waist Width: 109 – Rating 3 Stars -  Light weight and easy going, unnerving at high speed but a great option for  progressing intermediate skiers or lighter weight skiers looking for something to use as both a touring & inbounds ski.  Look elsewhere if you often ski fast in variable conditions.
  • DPS Wailer 105 – Waist  Width 105 – Rating 3 Stars  – A damp, race-room style ski for the ex-racer who stays on top of his/her ski. Another great ski for chalky, variable, skied out conditions. Look elsewhere if you are looking for something easy going, surfy or your mountain gets north of 300″ of snow a year and this is your only ski. Not an overly playful ski.
  • DPS Wailer 112 RPC – Waist Widt 115 – Rating 3 Stars – A light, versatile ski. Though it can take some attention at high speed, it is a great option for the precise & technical skier who often tours. Though playful, if you spend much time in the park, look elsewhere.
  • 4Frnt Hoji – Waist – 112 – Rating 4 Stars – A rally car of a ski. Though it may lack in conventional groomer performance it excelled elsewhere and allowed the pilot to make any turn shape at any time while retaining a fair amount of stability. This was a stand out ski of the test though reverse camber is not for everyone.
  • Volkl 1 – Waist  – 116 – Rating 3.5 Stars – Another reverse camber ski, the One proved easy going, surfy and playful in all but the firmest of conditions. An awesome one-ski-quiver for a place that sees north of 350″ a year under the guidance of a more playful pilot. Though it does have a top speed, don’t judge a book by its cover, even those that were not “jibby” or “ex park guys” enjoyed this ski so long as speed was kept this side of “11”.
  • Moment Governor – Waist 116 – Rating 4 Stars – A stiff, neutral, no frills flat tailed charger with enough waist to float. A great one ski to do it all if a flat tail is something you prize and you fit theh 186 or 196 size. Look elsewhere if you want the easiest going ski or you aren’t a fan of pintailed skis.
  • Nordica Helldorado – Waist 113 – Rating 4.5 Stars - A balanced, damp, playful ski. Enough float for the deep days, enough agility for the harder days. Just beware, the ski is anything but light. A stand out ski in the test.
  • Salomon Q-Lab – Waist 109 – Raiting 4.5 Stars – A very versatile ski for a place like Jackson. A great blend of edge hold, stability, float and stompability. Though not the best in any one category it did fit our test very well in that it most certainly is a quiver killer. Look elsewhere if you are jibby or spend any time skiing backwards.
  • Line Supernatural 108 – Waist 108 – Rating 3.5 Stars – A playful, neutral, damp, well balanced ski. If your mountain gets less than 350″ a year, and you don’t need anything more than a 185 its a killer ski. If your mountain sees more snow and/or you like longer skis look to the ski’s bigger brother, the Supernatural 115.
  • Kastle MX 104 – Waist 104 – Rating 3.5 Stars -A traditionalists ski. A bit too conventional and narrow to be considered a do-everything ski in a place like Jackson. That said, it is excellent in harder conditions and for the skier who prefers to be in the snow utilizing a more old school technique, this could be a great too.
  • Blizzard Cochise – Waist 108- Rating 4 stars – A ski that comes alive at speed and comfortable in any environment what seperates this ski from the rest is the ease in which one can release the edge. While a number of “charger” skis remain stable at high speed few can boast the ease in which a skier can shut down/scrub speed like the cochise. Though a bit narrow for a one ski quiver at a place like Jackson, its just big enough to be considered as such. A stand out ski.
  • K2 Annex 118 - Waist 118 – Rating 3.5 Stars – For some, the Annex 118 may be a bit on the cumbersome side in harder conditions. A ski that asks the skier be quiet, centered and strong. In deep, the ski crushes. After all, this is the exact ski Seth calls his own…it should come of no surprise it handles soft conditions with ease. Just stay on em.

Also:

 

http://blistergearreview.com/category/gear-reviews/ski-reviews/one-ski-quiver-ski-reviews

post #3 of 19
Thread Starter 

Those are a lot wider than anything I had thought of. Most days I ski out west , it hasn't snowed. I was thinking more of a ski for those days , that will do ok when it does snow

post #4 of 19

I don't think you need anything over 100mm, 90-100mm is good range for an all-purpose western ski.  Of the skis on your list, I think the Line and the Dynastar are your best bets.  The Salomon is really a mid-fat carver, great ski on groomers but not so much off piste.  Another ski you might want to consider is the Nordica Soul Rider, 97mm, very good off piste, good edge grip and lots of fun to ski.  But, once you get to 97 you might as well consider the new Nordica Enforcer.  Do a search for all the rave reviews for that one.

post #5 of 19

those ski's are all a bit narrow for western skiing by today's standards, if your looking to jump off the groomers go for some rockers exceeding 100mm waist , you wont regret it - type of ski will open alot of terrain you can ski with confidence

 

- JJQIV provided a nice list there - the 4FRNT Hojis are super sweet!!

post #6 of 19
I think the issue of how wide do you need is hugely impacted by snow consistency and storm depth. If the snow is coming a foot at a time and is the down feather stuff that provides little support and blows away with a gust of wind, the ski needs to provide more float to protect you from the true surface you can't see and maybe you need 105 and wider. If the snow is not that stuff that blows away as you go by, and provides more support above the hard pack or rocks, you can get away with narrower skis. Being in Montana like @mtcyclist, I agree with him that 90-100 is a good all purpose width. In fact, this season, I've rarely needed even something that wide.
post #7 of 19

Being from the east, a lot of my friends ski on a 98-100mm waist everyday, Your talking about being out west, go wider, don't base your ski selection on this season.

 

lot's of great skis out there in the 107-115 range.

 

Don't try and save a few bucks on a ski when your spending thousands for a trip out west.

post #8 of 19
If he's just buying skis to use for a one week trip, he'd be better off renting demos for the trip. Then he can find out what he likes without the hassle of transporting them, or even storing and maintaining them. Alternatively, he can get skis he has a hope of enjoying during his normal season.
post #9 of 19
Thread Starter 

I would rent a few to try, its just that there are some good deals right now on some end of  season stuff.  between $450 and $580, (canadian!!) including bindings. To be more clear,  i ski mostly at resorts when i go west, not out in any backcountry. 

post #10 of 19

Any issues (like duty fees) about buying equipment during your trip? I'm sure the shops near the mountains will have good deals as well and most will apply the cost of the demo to the purchase price.  Could be the best of all worlds for you.

post #11 of 19
Thread Starter 

i have done my trip out west this year . went to taos. back in ontario, there isnt much to demo in the way of wider skis. i looked at stuff wile i was away, but the exchange is huge now. i think there will be a big increase next year at the shops, so thats why i'm thinking of doing it now. i'm kind of leaning to the supernatural 92, on sale now $429 with griffons

post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by graham418 View Post

i have done my trip out west this year . went to taos. back in ontario, there isnt much to demo in the way of wider skis. i looked at stuff wile i was away, but the exchange is huge now. i think there will be a big increase next year at the shops, so thats why i'm thinking of doing it now. i'm kind of leaning to the supernatural 92, on sale now $429 with griffons
Do it. 92 is more than enough since you have no plans to ski off piste. Buying a 110mm to only ski groomers just makes no sense at all.
post #13 of 19
Thread Starter 

thx mtrcyclst . now, what size should i get!

post #14 of 19
My daily driver for the past four seasons has been a 170cm Nordica Steadfast. I'm 5'7", 150 pounds. The 172 will be more nimble but the 179 will give you better float for days when there's fresh snow. I don't know how much early rise this ski has but I'd probably go for the 179.
post #15 of 19
Thread Starter 

i had some 180 brahmas for  week this year , and they were too big.  i'm worried about going too long . i'm 171cm tall. dont know how the lines compare with rocker. i usually  ski a rossi avenger 76ti in 170. or dynastar contact ,  i have some elan magfire 82xti in 168.  thats what i used to take west.  before skis went wide.

post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post

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Originally Posted by graham418 View Post

i have done my trip out west this year . went to taos. back in ontario, there isnt much to demo in the way of wider skis. i looked at stuff wile i was away, but the exchange is huge now. i think there will be a big increase next year at the shops, so thats why i'm thinking of doing it now. i'm kind of leaning to the supernatural 92, on sale now $429 with griffons
Do it. 92 is more than enough since you have no plans to ski off piste. Buying a 110mm to only ski groomers just makes no sense at all.
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Originally Posted by graham418 View Post

I have been looking at the end of season sales, for a ski to take out west
Me: 5'-7", 190lbs , level 2 instructor
ski for  bumps , trees ,  powder, crud

I thought the ski was for "bumps, trees, powder, crud"? Not groomers.

What condition out west are you looking to manage and WHERE in general? Maybe even tell us what trail did you feel you'd be happier on if only the equipment were different. As opposed to what trails you'd still avoid.
post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post


I thought the ski was for "bumps, trees, powder, crud"? Not groomers.
You're right, I got confused, but as a level 2 instructor he should be able to handle all of that with a 92mm ski. I've skied my 90mm Steadfast in more than 20" of powder.
post #18 of 19
My pow skis are 98s, so I'm not in the wide camp, either, but I don't want to lose track of the fact that he wants to expand his range. He's got his groomer skis. And he needs to worry about flex and shape as well as width. The "which all mountain ski is the best" problem. I don't think that he wants skis to only handle what he can't handle now, but to mostly handle his normal conditions, while still handling the problems.

Not saying anything about your suggestions. I certainly don't have your knowledge.
post #19 of 19
Thread Starter 

I'm not so much looking to expand my range, as update my skis. i'm comfortable skiing most anything ,in most any conditions . i have been to a lot of resorts in Alberta, BC, Colorado , Utah etc. and encounter many conditions. And i have learned that sometimes theres a lot of snow, and sometimes there isnt.  In taos this year there wasnt!  we skied bumps and trees. Reforma , castor,  pollux , lorrelei trees , valkryies. no problems , it was like skiing at home! In Fernie a couple of years ago , there was 12" every night.  it just seems that there are more days than not without freshies, and i'm trying to find something that will handle those conditions more than the powder days. i have some old magfires that i take west, i really like them, but i just thought i would update. there seems to be a wealth of knowledge and experience in this forum, and figured i could benefit from the input. it is much appreciated

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