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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 

First about me...

Where: NJ; Catskills; Southern VT

What: Groomers

How much: 10-15 days (hoping to get it up to 20)

Skill: 6? (ski all eastern groomers including ♦♦ but no bumps and no off-piste)

Size: 69" / 155-160lbs

 

I'm currently skiing on 12 year old K2 Escapes. Looking to get a single ski primarily for hard groomers but that will also handle occasional crud and slush. The fastest I ski now is about 35mph and have no interest of ever going much faster than that. Also want the skis to be easy to slide around when slowly skiing behind my 3 (first season) and 8 (second season) year old kids. Demoing, especially multiple skis is probably not realistic.

 

I've been considering (in the 168-172 length):

Rossy Experience 88 (or 84? or 80?)

Head Rev 85 (or 80?)

K2 AMP Rictor 82 XTI

Kastle LX82

 

I'm I on the right path? Given that these all appear to be well regarded skis in the same general category, should I just grab the best deal or will any be more appropriate in my case than others? For skis available in different widths would I loose much usability and performance by getting thinner wasted versions? With everything else being equal (or close) I'd rather have a lighter ski that's easier to transition edge to edge with less strain on the knees.

 

Or am I on the wrong path and should be considering something completely different?

 

Thanks much!

-Vi

post #2 of 16

I'm 6'2", 175, so heavier and taller than you are...  I thought the Rossi Experience series was a tank that didn't really like being skied slowly.  But I seem to be in the minority of people who couldn't wait to get off that ski.  The Head Rev series didn't do anything for me either in the 80 and 85 widths.

 

For reference, I think the K2 Amp Rictor 90 is an awesome ski,but it's apparently pretty different in terms of construction from it's narrower brother the 82.

 

For east coast groomer skiing, it's a rare day that you really need much width under your feet.  You're almost always actually riding on the firm surface underneath.  Width helps smooth out the ride on really really warm spring days where everything is mushy or the occasional powder day.

 

I think one of the greatest skis made these days are the Head Rally.  Finding one might be impossible (they are really popular), but you might get lucky finding one on eBay.  Fast, slow, it just works.  I ski it in the 170cm length which is probably on the shorter side for my size.

post #3 of 16
Since you only ski groomers, I suggest forgetting about skis over 80mm, 75-80 is where you ought to be. Nordica makes three versions of the Fire Arrow that are 80 or less Salomon X-drive 8.0, Head Rally or Titan, Fischer Motive 76 or 80 are all good candidates for you.
post #4 of 16

FIFY

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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post

Since you only ski groomers, I suggest forgetting about skis over 80mm, 68-76 is where you ought to be.
post #5 of 16

The suggestions already made are good. When you budget for the skis, add in money for regular tuning. A pair of K2s for $400 with a $300 tuning budget will serve you much better on eastern groomers than spending $700 on a pair of Kaestles that you allow to get dry and dull. Keep them waxed and keep them sharp.

post #6 of 16

Lot's of good info above check out www.skiessientials.com for great skis at great prices. You can call them and get great customer service too.

post #7 of 16

Since you are not skiing fast, and are sticking to groomed eastern runs, I suggest you stick to a narrow slalom ski, but not a full-on racing ski.  A couple of suggestions follow.

 

Head Worldcup Rebels i.SL - with an 11 m turn radius and softer flex, it's also easy at slow speeds, not at all like the RD ski.

 

Kastle LX72 - a bit longer turn radius and more versatile.

post #8 of 16
Thread Starter 

Thanks everyone for your recommendations. The reason I was thinking of the skis with the waist in the 80s is so I don't have to work them as hard when our groomers get beat up and bumped up by the weekend crowds and then warmed up by the midday sun. I'm sure a part of it is technique but I would like something that requires a bit less effort in the heavy mush then my current 68mm skis. It also appears that there's not much trade off with modern skis in going with a bit wider (80s) "front side" ski than staying in the 70s. 

post #9 of 16

If you want something easy and cheap for crud piles, just get an old Volant, something about180 to 190 cm long, mid-twenties radius and under also 70 mm wide; skiing my 190 cm Machetes in crud piles is like hitting the easy button, compared to my 165 cm 13-m radius skis (both about 68 mm wide at the waist).

post #10 of 16
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If you want something easy and cheap for crud piles, just get an old Volant, something about180 to 190 cm long, mid-twenties radius and under also 70 mm wide; skiing my 190 cm Machetes in crud piles is like hitting the easy button, compared to my 165 cm 13-m radius skis (both about 68 mm wide at the waist).


Wow.

post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
 

If you want something easy and cheap for crud piles, just get an old Volant, something about180 to 190 cm long, mid-twenties radius and under also 70 mm wide; skiing my 190 cm Machetes in crud piles is like hitting the easy button, compared to my 165 cm 13-m radius skis (both about 68 mm wide at the waist).


Wow.


I don't understand the comment:confused.

The longer skis really were, contrary to popular superstition, easier to ski.  I started a post about it.

http://www.epicski.com/t/64325/a-tale-of-two-skis

post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
 


I don't understand the comment:confused.

The longer skis really were, contrary to popular superstition, easier to ski.  I started a post about it.

http://www.epicski.com/t/64325/a-tale-of-two-skis

 

 

I'm thinking bindings.  Indemnified?

post #13 of 16

You are getting some good and some very bad information. At level 6 you want a stable rock solid easy to ski stick that will help you grow. I agree with the narrow and also you want a ski that will hold ice. I would go with a Volkl RTM 77 or even RTM 81. Search this forum and spend a few hours reading reviews. Get an idea of what you might want and then post the skis. You want a ski for Ice not crud piles. The volkl RTM will let you grow, let you learn to get off the groomers a little and still hold the ice. I am sure others can post in what other brands are comparable to the Volkls I mentioned. Good luck and welcome.

post #14 of 16

If you are only going to get one ski, get the Kastle LX 72.

The 11.5 m turn radius Head rebels i. SL would be great on the groomed, but a handfull in 8" of heavy wet snow. 

The Machetes or similar would work well as a 2nd ski for crud, but you have to already have enough skill to carve through that stuff.

 

Stick with indemnified bindings.


Edited by Ghost - 3/28/15 at 6:23pm
post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
 

If you are only going to get one ski, get the Kastle LX 72.

 

 

+1.  

 

I've never skied LX models, but the Kästles I have skied seemed to ignore crud.

post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by SkiVi View Post
 

First about me...

Where: NJ; Catskills; Southern VT

What: Groomers

How much: 10-15 days (hoping to get it up to 20)

Skill: 6? (ski all eastern groomers including ♦♦ but no bumps and no off-piste)

Size: 69" / 155-160lbs

 

I'm currently skiing on 12 year old K2 Escapes. Looking to get a single ski primarily for hard groomers but that will also handle occasional crud and slush. The fastest I ski now is about 35mph and have no interest of ever going much faster than that. Also want the skis to be easy to slide around when slowly skiing behind my 3 (first season) and 8 (second season) year old kids. Demoing, especially multiple skis is probably not realistic.

 

I've been considering (in the 168-172 length):

Rossy Experience 88 (or 84? or 80?)

Head Rev 85 (or 80?)

K2 AMP Rictor 82 XTI

Kastle LX82

 

I'm I on the right path? Given that these all appear to be well regarded skis in the same general category, should I just grab the best deal or will any be more appropriate in my case than others? For skis available in different widths would I loose much usability and performance by getting thinner wasted versions? With everything else being equal (or close) I'd rather have a lighter ski that's easier to transition edge to edge with less strain on the knees.

 

Or am I on the wrong path and should be considering something completely different?

 

Thanks much!

-Vi


I think you have a good list. Try some. Every brand has a ski in that category. 75mm to 85mm is where you want to be. In today;s market when you go narrower, you are going much closer to "race" and you probably don't want that.

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