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Fischer RC4 SL (2014/2015) + mounting of non-Fischer bindings

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I plan to purchase new slalom skiis (Fischer RC4 SL (2014/2015) - http://www.fischersports.com/en/Alpine/Products/Skis/World-Cup/9326-RC4-Worldcup-SL-Men-STIFF

The skiis come with Fischer's world cup plate ( http://www.fischersports.com/en/Alpine/Technologies/Highlights/Race-Booster ) and without bindings.

Question: is it possible to mount non-Fischer bindings on ( I have a pair of old Marker's) and , if possible, do I lose some of the performance from the whole package?

 

Apart from this, if anyone has some usefull info on this skiis - plan is to go for medium stiffness.. 

post #2 of 13

I think you would be far better off sticking a pair of Tyrolia Freeflex Pros on there (or the older FF+ - I own a pair of FF+ 17). 

IIRC Fischer uses rebranded Tyrolias, and old Markers don't have that Free flex thing going on.

 

Read all about it ...   http://www.tyrolia.com/en/ski-bindings/racing.html

 

 

 

post #3 of 13

Is the Fischer plate pre-drilled for the binidings?

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Not an issue.  the plate can be drilled for almost any binding (which is both the beauty and the drawback of this plate - I have come to appreciate the greater ease of making position adjustments with predrilled plates).

 

IF you need to be compliant with race stack height regs, you might possibly find some issues with non Fisher (tyrolia/head) bindings.

 

And funnily enough i just mounted up a 2015 Head WC slalom (same plate) with Marker 2os a couple of weeks ago.!  and yes it works!. It looks a tad high but i haven't measured but I have shimmed the toe piece.

 

Of course I would NOT use a Marker below the Comp 16 and as always with marker comps you need to set the forward pressure at race setting (a half turn past flush) 

 

And yes, go for the Medium flex unless you are 250# plus!  If you want to make a slalom ski work in gates, first you have to be able to bend it! :)

post #5 of 13

ScotsSkier, can you explain what you mean with setting the Marker Comp a half turn past flush? Im using the Comp 20 on all my skis.

 

When I was using Tyrolia bindings on my Heads the skis came with VIST racing plates. That was a great plate because all bindings fit. With some plates/bindings there is a problem with the screws that hold the plate to the ski. They seemed to align with my binding screws every time I tried to go with annother brand. I agree, with Markers you need to go Comp 16 or 20.

 

You are right. First you need to be able to bend the ski.

post #6 of 13

Not to put word's in ScotsSkiers Mouth, but my Marker Comp 16s have a screw at the back that needs to be turned (with the boot removed) to set the forward pressure.  The standard Marker line is the forward pressure adjustment screw needs to be flush with the binding housing when the boot is locked into place.  If you turn that screw 180 degrees (half a full turn EDIT: so that it is farther in than flush), it might change the release non-release characteristics for the better performance in a race course.   Mine seem to work fine flush at a 3+ setting (3++ if you consider my age), but I'm not in a SL course. 


Edited by Ghost - 3/26/15 at 12:21pm
post #7 of 13
Thread Starter 

thanks guys for usefull info!

 

so , to conclude , Tyrolia's would be ok since Fischer=Tyrolia and most probably other newer bindings (Marker).

 

just to complicate even more, my Marker's are older racing bindings and are not connected (front and rear binding).

exactly like the ones on this picture (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/MARKER-RACING-Ski-Bindings-din-settings-5-5-15-/161647192926?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25a2ec6b5e ) , but without connecting part.

 

so, do you think it is still compatible with these new slalom skiis and would i, at masters level, feel any performance downgrade?

post #8 of 13


Don't even waste your time with these!   Turn them into door knockers, all they are good for!:D 

 

Get an up to date binding that will match the performance of the ski.  there are affordable options out there  I also have a new set of Fischer Z17s available at a reasonable price.  

 

The Marker Comp 20 & 16 btw  do NOT have a connecting bar between them

post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by ScotsSkier View Post
 


Don't even waste your time with these!   Turn them into door knockers, all they are good for!:D 

 

Get an up to date binding that will match the performance of the ski.  there are affordable options out there  I also have a new set of Fischer Z17s available at a reasonable price.  

 

The Marker Comp 20 & 16 btw  do NOT have a connecting bar between them

I've had older markers release when the skis pinched the boot too much via too much bend due to terrain features.  I like the free-flex feature.  Whether or not you notice it depends on you and how much you bend the ski and how quickly it unbends too.


Get the Z17 from ScotsSkier.  /end thread.

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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
 

Not to put word's in ScotsSkiers Mouth, but my Marker Comp 16s have a screw at the back that needs to be turned (with the boot removed) to set the forward pressure.  The standard Marker line is the forward pressure adjustment screw needs to be flush with the binding housing when the boot is locked into place.  If you turn that screw 180 degrees (half a full turn), it might change the release non-release characteristics for the better performance in a race course.   Mine seem to work fine flush at a 3+ setting (3++ if you consider my age), but I'm not in a SL course. 


Spot on Ghost!.  Pretty much a standard approach on Markers for racing.  Also, another important consideration, you should doe regular checks on this setting.  They seem to have a tendency to back off in some instances.  This is often one of the reasons behind unintended releases

post #11 of 13
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ScotsSkier View Post
 


Don't even waste your time with these!   Turn them into door knockers, all they are good for!:D 

 

Get an up to date binding that will match the performance of the ski.  there are affordable options out there  I also have a new set of Fischer Z17s available at a reasonable price.  

 

The Marker Comp 20 & 16 btw  do NOT have a connecting bar between them

thanks for the info.

 

can you explain why not to use them . is it this what Ghost said (they would release when not needed) or something else?

other option could be Elan bindings (EL 12 I think) that i have mounted on Speedwave skiis that are now ready for retirement.

post #12 of 13

Elan branded bindings are made by Fischer/Tyrolia/Head. They are identical to the Head Freeflex bindings mounted on my Fischer WC Sl skis. 

post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by alokin View Post

thanks for the info.

can you explain why not to use them . is it this what Ghost said (they would release when not needed) or something else?
other option could be Elan bindings (EL 12 I think) that i have mounted on Speedwave skiis that are now ready for retirement.

Umm, maybe because it is. 20+ year old binding and unless you can mount it yourself you will struggle to find anyone else to do it. My concern would not be about it not releasing, but the opposite! If you are trying to race, keeping the skis on your feet is a top priority (for me at least! ) and I would not rely on that binding. YMMV

The élan el12 should work assuming it is not a system binding. It is a fairly light weight binding, you don't tell us your weight, could be fairly marginal for race use depending on that
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