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post #1 of 15
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I purchased Salomon X-max 120 the beginning of this season. I have about 35 days on them. The shell has a great fit...but the liner is extremely tight and uncomfortable. I had my boot fitter stretch the liner more times than I can remember. I ski primarily at Sunday River, Maine. We took our first trip out West last week. I brought my boots to Steve at Snowbird Sports. The liners were trashed from all the stretching. He put me in the lowest volume Zipfit the Gara for $400. The liner is super comfortable... but when I put it in the shell the fit is brutal. I skied on them 5 days at Alta/Snowbird. At the end of every day I would go back to the shop for some tweaking. They never got any better. I can barely close my shell over them as well. I am now back from my trip and have no idea what to do. If anyone could help me I would be extremely greatful. I would love to be comfortable while skiing for once. Thanks for any replies.
post #2 of 15

how is the feel of the boots if you keep the toe buckles OFF (not just loose)

 

can you use a thinner sock?

any footbeds?  better with, or without them?

 

where on your foot do they hurt?

 

has the shell been made wider/bigger?

post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the reply!  If I keep the toe buckles they feel slightly better, but get snow in them.  They are also slightly better with my footbeds in them.  I wear the thinnest sock available.  They basically hurt or are too snug all over.  The shell has been made wider.  I just don't understand who they work for.  The shell fits perfect and the liner is extremely comfortable on its own.  When I put it in the shell...it barely closes.  How does this work for other people.  When I purchased them at least 3 people came over to tell me how much they loved them. I don't know what to do next.  Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

post #4 of 15
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Thanks for the reply!  If I keep the toe buckles they feel slightly better, but get snow in them.  They are also slightly better with my footbeds in them.  I wear the thinnest sock available.  They basically hurt or are too snug all over.  The shell has been made wider.  I just don't understand who they work for.  The shell fits perfect and the liner is extremely comfortable on its own.  When I put it in the shell...it barely closes.  How does this work for other people.  When I purchased them at least 3 people came over to tell me how much they loved them. I don't know what to do next.  Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Gara Liner ZipFit: The GARA is pre-packed with the lowest volume of OneMinuteFit self-molding molding composite, specifically for normal volume feet in "plug-race" shells and for higher volume feet in the modified plug-race shell models.

 

I copied and pasted the above info off of the WEB, It describes a fit for plug race boots which would have even lower volume than the boots you are in (Salomon X-Max) so i am wondering what is the shell fit like in this boot.

 

http://www.epicski.com/a/boot-fitting-which-boot-will-work-for-me

 

read through the above article and perform a "shell check" for us (length and width).

 

what size feet (length and width) in CM and what size boot.

 

mike

post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 

Thanks!  The shell: length less than 1/2 inch, width about 1.5mm; Feet 25.4 cm and 99 last; shell 24.5....Thanks again

post #6 of 15

The X-Max is listed as a 98 mm last in the catalog but that would be in a 26.5 shell---in a 24.5 shell the last width would be 94mm across the ball of the foot---the overall volume of the boot would also reduce as it gets smaller.  Perhaps this is where your issues come from.:rolleyes.

 

try them  on without a sock.

 

mike

post #7 of 15

Mike is on the right track.  But a few questions.  Don't understand shell fit is great but liner is tight.  Why isn't the shell tight?  When is the liner tight, when out of the shell and on your foot?  If yes it should be tight then.

 

Your foot is a solid 25 and yet you bought a 24.  Why?

 

Wouldn't expect footbeds to make a substantial difference, sounds like boots are too small.  Try without sock as Mike said and try without footbed.

 

Lou

post #8 of 15
Thread Starter 
Hi Lou, the shell is a perfect fit. But the liner is extremely tight and uncomfortable out of the shell.... that is why I had it stretched so often (which caused the ripping). This is what led me to get the Zipfits... which have a comfortable fit outside the shell... but are excruciating when in the shell.
post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by Mason View Post

Hi Lou, the shell is a perfect fit. But the liner is extremely tight and uncomfortable out of the shell.... that is why I had it stretched so often (which caused the ripping). This is what led me to get the Zipfits... which have a comfortable fit outside the shell... but are excruciating when in the shell.

where exactly is the liner (by itself when out of the shell) tight and uncomfortable?

 

mike


Edited by miketsc - 3/26/15 at 1:32pm
post #10 of 15
Thread Starter 
The original liner the boots came with was extremely tight and uncomfortable on the outside of both feet. The Zipfit liner is super comfortable in itself. The original liner was trashed from being stretched so much to accommodate my feet.
post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by Mason View Post

The original liner the boots came with was extremely tight and uncomfortable on the outside of both feet. The Zipfit liner is super comfortable in itself. The original liner was trashed from being stretched so much to accommodate my feet.

Ok, so lets forget the old original liner----where is the Zipfit too tight when in the shell---please don't say "everywhere", list where it is too tight, for instance, at the rear or at the front or along the length of the 5th met.  Or around the front of your toes etc.

 

mike 

post #12 of 15
Thread Starter 
Hi Mike, I'm going to describe the areas as best I can. From the outside of the pinky toe to the heel is tight. The Calcaneus and Tibialis... which I think are the names for the bumps on both sides of the ankle. I looked up the names. Lastly, the Exterior Retinaculm is particularly painful.... also looked up. It is the very bottom of your shin where it meets the foot. Thanks do much!
post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by Mason View Post

Hi Mike, I'm going to describe the areas as best I can. From the outside of the pinky toe to the heel is tight. The Calcaneus and Tibialis... which I think are the names for the bumps on both sides of the ankle. I looked up the names. Lastly, the Exterior Retinaculm is particularly painful.... also looked up. It is the very bottom of your shin where it meets the foot. Thanks do much!

So is seems the boots are just not quite wide enough for you foot and the liner to be in there at the same time.  You will need to have the boot shell stretched wider to allow you to be comfotable.

 

The problem with the boot being too tight around the lower leg is sometimes related to how the shell is shaped---watch the video below around the 5 minute mark to modify the boot shell to help you solve your problem.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hUwND4cMK4

 

mike

post #14 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks for your time!
post #15 of 15

It's simple. Your boots are too small!

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