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post #31 of 55
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Originally Posted by givethepigeye View Post

The green ones with new shape?

Your going to have to change your screen name to holeypigeye (not holy).

After finally pulling the trigger after 3 long years of looking for skis, I can't bear the thought of extra holes.

But I am looking forward to testing mount point all day tomorrow, given the 16" we got in the last 24 hrs!
post #32 of 55
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Originally Posted by givethepigeye View Post

The green ones with new shape?
Yes... That would be the 2016.
post #33 of 55
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Originally Posted by AndyBzn View Post

Your going to have to change your screen name to holeypigeye (not holy).

After finally pulling the trigger after 3 long years of looking for skis, I can't bear the thought of extra holes.

But I am looking forward to testing mount point all day tomorrow, given the 16" we got in the last 24 hrs!
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Oops. That must have seemed odd, @givethepigeye, that was supposed to have been posted under your comment about drilling holes. That's what happens when you do this from your phone while taxiing to the runway.
post #34 of 55
IMHO, an extra set of holes does nothing bad to the ski. If the binding needs to be moved, it needs to be moved.
post #35 of 55
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

IMHO, an extra set of holes does nothing bad to the ski. If the binding needs to be moved, it needs to be moved.


Agreed!  It's just that after looking for so darn long for new skis, the thought of now drilling multiple sets of holes is like painting the proverbial mustache on the Mona Lisa. 

 

Another question for your, though, @markojp, on the pair of Enforcers you're selling, you mention the full tune you've given, down to the base grind.  I've seen some posts here where folks recommend that on all new skis, but others seem to think it doesn't matter that much and to try it first.  I take it you're in that former group?  When I'm having the bindings mounted on my new Enforcers, should I have them fully tuned? 

 

Thanks!

post #36 of 55
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Originally Posted by givethepigeye View Post


Two set of holes isn't THAT bad (says the man w/ 2 sets of holes) smile.gif. I have that exact rig. Made the mistake of Jesters on my Kastles - will be going back to FKS/Pivots (with another set of holes, ha).

What do you mean you made the mistake of Jesters? Are those bindings not good?

post #37 of 55
The complaint on the Marker Griffon and Jester is that it can be difficult to get in them in deep snow, which accumulates under the heel.

Of course I never fall down, so never have that complaint! LOL!
post #38 of 55

That's a complaint about the Look Pivots too. Put another way, everyone has something to moan about and blame when they fall in deep powder. Deal. ;)

post #39 of 55
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Originally Posted by ARL67 View Post

The complaint on the Marker Griffon and Jester is that it can be difficult to get in them in deep snow, which accumulates under the heel.

Of course I never fall down, so never have that complaint! LOL!

Deep snow??? My Jesters are hard to get into on the level flat hardback - yes seriously a PIA. They were bench tested with my boot and forward pressure is correct.
post #40 of 55
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Originally Posted by jgiblin415 View Post

What do you mean you made the mistake of Jesters? Are those bindings not good?

See post #39 - FKS/Pivots are a breeze in comparison. I sure they are fine but coming off of many, many sets of the former, I'd classify it as a "mistake" on my part - I wanted some flexibility down the road on bsl. I'm sometimes a 27 and sometimes a 26 and getting due for new shells. I've taken some epic diggers in powder - I'd probably just send for evac w/ those Jesters given the hassle on flat level groomed snow. smile.gif
post #41 of 55


Do you think it was just that pair, or Jesters in general?  

 

I'm lighter weight and ski Griffins/Griffin demos and Griffin Schizos usually, but have owned Jesters and Jester Schizos with no problem I was aware of.  The Jesters were a bit harder than the Griffins, just because of the stiffer DIN spring, I guess, but still no problem.  

 

And in powder, I've just learned to clean out the binding and boot bottom first before putting it back on flat in deep, or on groomed.  Then no problems.  Though it's rare I fall in deep, it has happened now and again.  :) 

post #42 of 55
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Originally Posted by ski otter View Post
 


Do you think it was just that pair, or Jesters in general?  

 

I'm lighter weight and ski Griffins/Griffin demos and Griffin Schizos usually, but have owned Jesters and Jester Schizos with no problem I was aware of.  The Jesters were a bit harder than the Griffins, just because of the stiffer DIN spring, I guess, but still no problem.  

 

And in powder, I've just learned to clean out the binding and boot bottom first before putting it back on flat in deep, or on groomed.  Then no problems.  Though it's rare I fall in deep, it has happened now and again.  :) 


Sample size = 1 for the Jesters, FKS, Pivots, Px15's = +10.  Hardest thing ever, I mean like it would appear as though I have never clicked into a pair of bindings before.   Who knows 

post #43 of 55

just get salomon bindings, they are way better.

post #44 of 55
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Originally Posted by locknload View Post

Please post where you end up AndyBzn as I'm going to buy a pair and am uncertain about mounting point.  I had another pair of skis mounted awhile back and had a great tech who asked me if he could slide them back b/c he thought the mount point was way too far forward and result in "too much tail"...he was right and nailed the right spot on the ski.  I personally have never used demo bindings or adjustable bindings on my skis and really don't want to...hoping to find the right spot and be happy with it.
Well, I spent the day going back and forth between on the line and 1cm back. Pretty subtle difference, but I'd say it was definitely better at -1cm. I thought about trying -2, but ran out of time. At -1, I felt as though I had a bit more control over the ski; they felt a little less squirrely and like I could drive them a bit harder and get more performance out of them. They still felt damp and smooth. Don't think there was any negative impact. I believe they also had better tail grip on GS turns at speed (in my experience, they tend to wash out if you don't really get them on edge. Could be a skill issue, admittedly, or just my being used on an 84mm front side ski)

Anyway, I would definitely go with -1 were I to mount these today. Keep in mind, though, that I'm 6'2" and, with all my gear on, weigh in at 190. So not sure what anyone else's results would be. Would sure love to hear feedback from others, though.
post #45 of 55

Great info.  My weight is almost exactly yours.  Talked to my tech and he though somewhere right about -1 but wouldn't commit without having the skis in front of him.  What were snow conditions like today?  Where did you ski?

post #46 of 55
Was at Bridger Bowl, Bozeman, MT. It was 24 hours after we'd gotten about 16" of 3% snow. Temperature stayed below 20 the whole time. In other words, it was soft and perfect, and a bit tracked out.

Still torn between these skis and the Bones, I have to admit. Hard to get used to the huge change between these and my old skis. Difficult to tell what I'd just get used to versus what I wouldn't. Sigh
post #47 of 55
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 Was at Bridger Bowl, Bozeman, MT. It was 24 hours after we'd gotten about 16" of 3% snow. Temperature stayed below 20 the whole time. In other words, it was soft and perfect, and a bit tracked out.

 

Snow really sucked eh?! :)  Sounds like a great day.  You and I are very similar.  I ski 3 yr old 187 Bones now...I really like them.  I love how solid and responsive they are and the versatility is extremely hard to beat for such a wide range of conditions.  I think the Enforcers feel almost as solid on hard groomers but more playful on softish groomers and loose snow.  You really are picking between 2 great skis.....maybe you can comfort yourself by knowing that you won't make a bad choice whichever way you go.  I love Blizzard and think I'll continue to like their skis for many years but it's also nice to get to know something different that is also a lot of fun. 

post #48 of 55
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Originally Posted by locknload View Post

Snow really sucked eh?! smile.gif   Sounds like a great day.  You and I are very similar.  I ski 3 yr old 187 Bones now...I really like them.  I love how solid and responsive they are and the versatility is extremely hard to beat for such a wide range of conditions.  I think the Enforcers feel almost as solid on hard groomers but more playful on softish groomers and loose snow.  You really are picking between 2 great skis.....maybe you can comfort yourself by knowing that you won't make a bad choice whichever way you go.  I love Blizzard and think I'll continue to like their skis for many years but it's also nice to get to know something different that is also a lot of fun. 
Thanks @locknload. Time for me to stop messing around and just get these 185 Enforcers (sitting in my laundry room) mounted up. Have the FKS 140's on the way...

Thanks for the help and feedback, everyone!
post #49 of 55

Worth posting this here for others wondering about size and the 193.  I've been torn over the optimal mounting point and wondering if I should be looking at the 193 instead of the 185. 

 

While reading the posts here and elsewhere, I thought I'd also check with Nordica. I visited their web site, thinking there might be a sizing guide. There wasn't, so I sent a note on the "contact us" page:

Me: Hi there. A sizing question for you on the enforcer. I've demoed it several times and am still unsure of the size I should get. I'm 6'2", 190#, and am a pretty aggressive skier. Pretty good, but wouldn't necessarily call myself an expert. I live and ski in Bozeman, MT. I truly do ski the whole mountain, but not so much time on groomers. Should I be on the 185 or 193?

Them: I spoke with our Ski Product manager and he suggests you go with the 185.

Not that I think they possess the ultimate highest knowledge, but it's certainly a good data point. Thus I'm going to consider the sizing question settled! (Especially because there is no 193 to demo here)

post #50 of 55

Seems like the right size if you want to ski tight chutes, bumps and trees along with open bowls and big POW fields.  Our height/weight is identical....I'm an inch taller but weigh 190 as well.  I would describe myself as a good skier but not a true "expert" and I ski mostly in UT, WY and CO....generally large mountains with good vertical but probably more crowds to pick through than you.  My bigger POW skis is 112 underfoot and 191 in length.  Its a versatile ski but its a lot of ski for days when the groomers have been packed down or I find myself skiing soft bumps.  I share that just to put the Nordica Enforcer in context.  IMHO the Enforcer is that awesome every day ski (at least that's what I intend to use it for) and, as such, I think the 185 is plenty big enough for a guy of your size and skill (myself as well) and the only time you might want longer is for wide open bowls on a POW day.  It seems then, on balance, that the 185 will give you all you need for just about every condition and you can always use your true POW ski (assuming you have one) for the really deep days.  I'm going to do the same thing is you...just trying to decide whether to buy a used pair or pull the trigger on some new ones.  Will decided in the next few weeks.  Looking forward to comparing notes!!

post #51 of 55
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Originally Posted by locknload View Post

Seems like the right size if you want to ski tight chutes, bumps and trees along with open bowls and big POW fields.  Our height/weight is identical....I'm an inch taller but weigh 190 as well.  I would describe myself as a good skier but not a true "expert" and I ski mostly in UT, WY and CO....generally large mountains with good vertical but probably more crowds to pick through than you.  My bigger POW skis is 112 underfoot and 191 in length.  Its a versatile ski but its a lot of ski for days when the groomers have been packed down or I find myself skiing soft bumps.  I share that just to put the Nordica Enforcer in context.  IMHO the Enforcer is that awesome every day ski (at least that's what I intend to use it for) and, as such, I think the 185 is plenty big enough for a guy of your size and skill (myself as well) and the only time you might want longer is for wide open bowls on a POW day.  It seems then, on balance, that the 185 will give you all you need for just about every condition and you can always use your true POW ski (assuming you have one) for the really deep days.  I'm going to do the same thing is you...just trying to decide whether to buy a used pair or pull the trigger on some new ones.  Will decided in the next few weeks.  Looking forward to comparing notes!!
Thanks for the comments; at this point I'd have to agree. Before you go much further, though, I really suggest you demo them, using the demo binding to try out a couple mount points. I think you'll find that it performs better when mounted 1cm behind the line. Check out this thread for details. Very interesting. http://forum.pugski.com/threads/nordica-enforcer-mount-point.1087/#post-21966
post #52 of 55

If you're only now looking for the Enforcer, good luck with finding a pair. As they are very clearly the "hot ski" this year, almost everywhere is sold out of them. I managed to acquire a pair from Amazon a couple weeks ago, after looking for weeks. Maybe you should look there. I must have called about 20 ski shops only to have them tell me they sold out of them in the early weeks of the season.

post #53 of 55

If you're looking for a 185, here is a pair, barely used. 

185 Enforcer, Attack 13

post #54 of 55
Thread Starter 
I'm most likely going to sell mine too. I've just been skiing my Kastle FX104's and now that there is a 93 - might do that
since those would be better IF (big if, I might add) I ever went to the mountains here locally. Mine have 2 sets of holes - some epoxy/nylon inserts, mounted for FKS (315) at minus 15mm. In other words - pretty cheap. Oh, I'd sell the bindings too - if you want. Otherwise, I'll keep them for Spring Slushfest 2016 as they have a nice pattern on them from the Montana machine.
post #55 of 55

Already tried 'em in Jackson a few weeks ago...back to back with my old Bonafides.  Actually wish I had jumped on the new Bones just to compare head to head.  As I said before...a bit more playful than the Bones and perhaps a wee bit less stable feeling to me but much quicker.  They were very, very fun. 

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