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Dabbling in speed events

post #1 of 10
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Hi all,

 

I've spent the past couple years coming back from skiing after a long hiatus.  The beer league/NASTAR bug bit pretty hard and I've worked my way down to being a solid platinum racer on most hills jacket or suit.  Now that the season end is here there are Super G's and downhills popping up which I'd like to be a little better equipped for.  I have a beat up pair of 191, 27M skis that are in rough shape and take lots of speed and effort to get moving smoothly.  I'm really curious how the new 188 women's 30M and mens 195 35M skis are working out for Masters type course sets and shorter midwest Super G's.  Would a more recent 27M GS ski with a little rocker work better than an older 27M ski?

Just looking to bridge the gap from my 19.5M cheaters to 195+ CM Super G ski which will likely be overkill for most courses I'll see.  Unless there is an outpouring of love for the old 30M skis. :)

 

Now for the stats:

 

6' tall 190 lbs.

7+ skill level skier

37 year old dude

Mostly platinum, sometimes gold

 

Any experienced advice would be awesome!

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Originally Posted by trailtrimmer View Post
 

Hi all,

 

I've spent the past couple years coming back from skiing after a long hiatus.  The beer league/NASTAR bug bit pretty hard and I've worked my way down to being a solid platinum racer on most hills jacket or suit.  Now that the season end is here there are Super G's and downhills popping up which I'd like to be a little better equipped for.  I have a beat up pair of 191, 27M skis that are in rough shape and take lots of speed and effort to get moving smoothly.  I'm really curious how the new 188 women's 30M and mens 195 35M skis are working out for Masters type course sets and shorter midwest Super G's.  Would a more recent 27M GS ski with a little rocker work better than an older 27M ski?

Just looking to bridge the gap from my 19.5M cheaters to 195+ CM Super G ski which will likely be overkill for most courses I'll see.  Unless there is an outpouring of love for the old 30M skis. :)

 

Now for the stats:

 

6' tall 190 lbs.

7+ skill level skier

37 year old dude

Mostly platinum, sometimes gold

 

Any experienced advice would be awesome!


None of the above. What flavor of speed events are these? Meaning, (and my guess would be) Masters events? For Masters Super G, I use a 201 Super G for turny courses, 205 Super G for glider courses. For Masters DH, I use a 210 Super G. All of these are 35M radius or above...

 

:nono:

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None of the above. What flavor of speed events are these? Meaning, (and my guess would be) Masters events? For Masters Super G, I use a 201 Super G for turny courses, 205 Super G for glider courses. For Masters DH, I use a 210 Super G. All of these are 35M radius or above...

 

:nono:

Actually you answered my question pretty well.  I'll end up doing half a dozen events next year that are mostly one off's.  Three or four super g's and two downhills.  All are in Michigan and on a mix of black and blue runs that are short so longer skis that need more speed to put on edge and bend are probably out of the picture.  Since they are not FIS I don't have to worry about conforming to any standard so older, tighter radius skis are an option.

 

I'm leaning toward just a 195 to 201 CM SG to cover all the above.  Then I only have to train on and master one long ski for the limited number of events I'll take part in.  I can just use my existing cheater for Masters GS and likely do well enough until I get faster on the steeps.

 

post #4 of 10

Yes get some SGs.  I don't know how fast you expect to be going on your skis, but if you are going at super g speeds, you should be on a ski designed for those speeds, with a turn radius suitable for those speeds.  I often see SG skis for sale cheap on the interwebs.  Traveling at high speeds on skis is dangerous,  skiing at high speeds on skis with small radii is doubly dangerous.  

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Yes get some SGs.  I don't know how fast you expect to be going on your skis, but if you are going at super g speeds, you should be on a ski designed for those speeds, with a turn radius suitable for those speeds.  I often see SG skis for sale cheap on the interwebs.  Traveling at high speeds on skis is dangerous,  skiing at high speeds on skis with small radii is doubly dangerous.  

Exactly why I posted up, I know my cheaters aren't going to get it at high speeds.  My GS skis may depending on the course set and slope, just hoping to get feedback on shallower shorter courses that one would typically find on a hill with 400' to 600' of vert.  I'm guessing some the "super G" courses may not be fast enough to get a long ski up to speed. 

post #6 of 10

I have a hunch that we will cross paths at the end of March at the Chocolate Cake Downhill (Boyne Highlands). My son is 23 yr old, 5'8" @140#. He will be racing on Volkl GS skis - 195 cm and 27m radius. A lot of the folk that race in that event are convinced that they need SG skis and end up skidding the three important turns instead of carving them. BTW, his skis are very stable at the big end. He will be using the same boards at the Caberfae SG this weekend.

 

Karl

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I have a hunch that we will cross paths at the end of March at the Chocolate Cake Downhill (Boyne Highlands). My son is 23 yr old, 5'8" @140#. He will be racing on Volkl GS skis - 195 cm and 27m radius. A lot of the folk that race in that event are convinced that they need SG skis and end up skidding the three important turns instead of carving them. BTW, his skis are very stable at the big end. He will be using the same boards at the Caberfae SG this weekend.

 

Karl

 

I'll be up at highlands for the downhill on Sunday and perhaps the family race on Saturday.  Missed out on the Cab race due to illness, but I hope to be 100% come this weekend.  I'll be running my 191 GS skis or my 201 SG's that I picked up.  My only skid worry is the quick left and rights heading toward the chute so I'll play a bit on Saturday to see what ski I'm most comfy with. 

 

It's too bad all the fun stuff happens at the end of the season.

 

post #8 of 10

Make up your mind fast and then get lots of time in on the ski you are going to use.  Switching to a longer turn radius always causes me to be too far inside for a while (unintentional white pass turns anyone?), and switching the other way has me in danger of "going over the handle bars" for a while. 

post #9 of 10
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I feel very comfy moving to my 191's from my cheaters, but plan on spending the whole afternoon the day before on the new boards to acclimate.  I won't ski anything else until after the race.

post #10 of 10

Sorry to hear that you were not well last weekend. You missed a great day. The weather was great. Sunny with a high of 28. The course set was really cool too. It was a great way to tune up for the Highlands. Hopefully you can make it to Caberfae next year. This weekend will be a busy one for me. Racing in the Friends and Family race in the morning and the Dos Equis Finals in the afternoon. But, the highlight of the weekend remains the Chocolate Cake Downhill. Good luck to you.

 

Karl

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