So is this a bad idea or am I overthinking it?
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So is this a bad idea or am I overthinking it?
I've skied race skis in bumps. They are too stiff, but it's still fun. SLs are more fun than GS, imho.
Ok, I guess I owe you a serious answer. I have been on cheater slaloms almost all season this year (rossi Hero ST TI). They are 100% more user friendly in the bumps than my Rev 105s (181 cm). Ya, it's a lot stiffer. But the they are narrow and short (69mm/167cm), so I find it much easier to handle. Would I go into them with the FIS version? Nope, I'm not nearly good enough for that trick.
The GS would be a little too stiff, but then they have the longer turn radius and are narrower. If you weigh a lot it might work out for you.
Between the TT and the REV, I'm guessing REV.
Of course if one is a lot shorter it would make the difference.
The TT would be fun though; besides bump skiing you could find yourself playing carve between the moguls before you have to bail and slow down. I call that game mogul Tetris. It's not proper bump skiing, but it's fun too.
Try them all and get back to us.
I skied a lot of bumps last year with my Speed course ti and they are lot of fun in bumps, especially icy ones! What I like is that you can also have fun on your way to the bumps and to the chairlift!
I did try to do it with a 177 cm speed course and didn't liked it: too stiff... But the flex of the 183 is perfect!
Also did it with my 9 sl...
edges will need more attention and will use more rapidly since there is more chances to hit a rock ( or else) in bumps.
It will shorten your skis life span
and your skis could develop a shallow tip and tail rocker...
Guess so. As you know, FIS SL skis have non-rec carver flex pattern: very stiff tips and tails to be stabile when hitting ruts or rubble at initiation, and to give extra acceleration at exit, respectively. Which means you get to ski bumps one way: snake through troughs. Good luck on that in the east, with nice tight, hard, irregular bumps. GS's are just planky at the the speeds same kind of bumps require. If things are soft enough, of course, you can just cut them in half. But that's where you ski, not where I ski.
Doesn't hurt to try. A FIS WC ski would be quite stiff in the bumps.
Competition mogul skis are not GS skis without plates....they are quite flexible and have VERY little sidecut to them. Pretty much useless for anything except the moguls.
In my experience, you can ski racing skis in moguls, but there are much better tools for the job. As to fun or not, that depends on the skier. A very in shape 27 year old with quick reflexes and strong legs may enjoy the challenge of racing through the moguls on super giant slalom skis enough to ski every mogul run on the mountain twice, just to say he did it, even if he doesn't know how to ski moguls and thinks he has to carve around them in the trough line; a 50 year old who has learned to us a short radius (non-arced) turn while absorbing the bumps instead? Not so much.
I take my Fischer Superior SC (rec SL ski) into the bumps. Its not the best tool for the job but its not terrible. Small to medium sized rounded bumps are fun, but the big hard eastern bumps are much less so.
I think I know what you mean.
My available choices:
Fischer SC (1/2 a step closer to race ski thn Superior SC) in 165 cm 0.5 base 3 side;
Volkl P50 F1 Energy (Gs ski from 2002 recreational I think going by flex) 188 cm 1 base 3 side
Volant Machete G 190 cm 1 base 1 side.
(SG ski doesn't even count as a choice - it hates going sideways and I no longer enjoy the impacts of skiing bump runs as though they were a SG race)
I think it's a tie between the Fischer because it's shorter and more maneuverable and the P50 because of the soft longitudinal flex in the tips (seems softer than the Machetes) and the tune. The Machetes aren't that far behind, they would probably be the winner if I weighed an extra 60 lbs or if I had them 10 to 15 cm shorter.
None of the above is ideal. If I had money and saw bumps more often I would be buying the Hart ski mentioned above by Utogonian.
I've taken all my skis through at least a couple of bump runs and would rather not do it again on the race room GS but wouldn't hesitate on my rec GS. But I'd much prefer some big soft powder boards or, ya know, some bump skis. Def prefer rec GS to rec SL.
Well, I've done quite a bit of experimenting with my own quiver but I'm a far cry from a shop guy who can expound on the finer points of one SL or GS to another. The SL I have experience with is the Blizzard Mag SL in 165 from quite a few years back. Not sure how it stacks up to its class mates or more recent iterations but I'm not under the impression that it's especially burly or anything. When I ski this pair off piste I never feel I can let them rip, I need to be very attentive and I celebrate getting to the bottom somewhat efficiently and unbloodied. I'd say it's fun and rewarding but not the kind of unbridled fun I'm looking for.
On the GS side I've got a pair of Dynastar Speed something or other that were purportedly on the honest to goodness World Cup tour, clamped to a female competitor. They're 185 I think and I feel like I need to achieve an uncomfortable (for me, not the sticks) speed before I can do much to change the turn radius. Took these down Drunken Frenchman once (long bump run) and I think I stopped to recover eleven times, maybe more! The other pair of GS is a Hart Javelin in ~190 from a few years ago and again I don't know how they stack up against anything other the Dynastars but I like to call them compliant. They've never complained about any rate of speed but I feel I can tighten that arc at will. These are pretty fun in the bumps..... prefer them to not only my SLs but also my Mx88s.
Way to get out there and try some different things! Optimal gear certainly makes things easier but there's no substitute for technique and mileage. Keep it up man, I'll bet you nail twelve bumps before you bail next time =)
The SL I have experience with is the Blizzard Mag SL in 165 from quite a few years back. Not sure how it stacks up to its class mates or more recent iterations but I'm not under the impression that it's especially burly or anything. When I ski this pair off piste I never feel I can let them rip, I need to be very attentive and I celebrate getting to the bottom somewhat efficiently and unbloodied. I'd say it's fun and rewarding but not the kind of unbridled fun I'm looking for.
Well, this pretty much explains the entire differing perspectives thing because compared with your mogul skiing mine is always pretty bridled. Let's hope unbloodied as well.