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Boot geometry, Head vs. Lange/Rossi vs. Dalbello

post #1 of 8
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Hi guys,

I posted this on the "Ask the Boot Guys" forum, and didn't get any replies, so I figued I'd try over here....

I'm in the market for new boots, and had an interesting discussion with my bootfitter about the differences in geometry among the Head Raptor, Lange RS (=Rossi Hero) and Dalbello Scorpion. He pointed out that the Raptors have significant varus in the clog's heel -- about 3 degrees (if you look at the boot from the back, the middle seam running up the back of the heel tilts outward) (the boot board itself is level -- only the clog has the tilt; effectively it's like standing on a level surface and having your ankles slightly tilted out). We didn't have a Scorpion on hand, but he said it has a small amount of heel varus (maybe one degree). The RS/Hero have no varus.



In addition, the Scorpions displace the foot laterally (outward) by a few mm, the idea being to place the ball of the foot closer to the inside edge of the ski. Just based on leverage, this would seem to make it easier to tip the inside ski, and harder to tip the outside one. Neither the Head nor the RS/Hero do this.



In summary, the Rossi/Lange are neutral with respect to heel varus and midline displacement, the Heads have strong heel varus but neutral displacement, and the Dalbellos have moderate varus and some midline displacement.



Any comments on how these differences will affect skiing?



Interestingly, unlike cuff alignment and canting, a shop alignment can't tell you which of these geometries would work best for you -- they only clearly reveal themselves during skiing. So it would seem the only way to determine which is best for you would be to set up all the boots correctly (including temporary cants), and demo each of them while being videoed.
post #2 of 8

.... being videoed and timed on a course. At different diciplines. But first a whole pre season of getting the boot to fit... unfortuately this is no option for most of us me included. At the moment I ski with the Scorpion and I have no experiance with the Head or the Rossie. Also, the Scropion did change quite a bit from previous model that Im still skiing in. I was in the Doberman for many years beore jumping to Dalbello. With one year in the Atomic Redster 150.

 

When  it comes to boots I have always tried to get a short shoe base and a good fit. I dont have different boots for recreational skiing teaching and racing. Or for diciplines such as SL, GS and SG. I have one boot for everything. I go for a perfect fit and 1 deg base canting.

 

This is an interesting topic thou and I hope people chime in with some valuable information.

post #3 of 8
Because Dabello is marketed with Elan and the amphibio makes it easier to get on the outside edge that set up makes some sense to me
post #4 of 8
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Because Dabello is marketed with Elan and the amphibio makes it easier to get on the outside edge that set up makes some sense to me

 

I havent heard that Dalbello is marketed with Elan! Dalbello is marketed with Völkl and Marker. What is the "amphibio"?

post #5 of 8
In the US Elan and Dabello are marketed together by the same sales team. It may be different in Europe. They also both use Glen Plake as one of thier top brand ambassadors

Amphibio is full camber on the inside skis edges with rocker on the outside ski. There is a defined right and left ski per pair. It is a great technology!
post #6 of 8

Norwegian Elan agent used to have Dalbello boots, but there seems to have been a parting of the ways there. Now the Elan agent is carrying Roxa boots, but that's not a racing brand. I think it is precisely because Dalbello are in bed with Marker/Völkl that the Elan relationship had to end.

post #7 of 8
The relationship is alive and well in the US and its a much larger market than Norway
post #8 of 8
I was wrong Dalbello has now joined forces with Marker and Volkl
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