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Taylor Made R15

post #1 of 46
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Hank Haney says the TaylorMade R15 club is revolutionary. He says the weight positioned near the club face (vs the rear) means you should use a higher lofted face and you'll get less spin and more distance. He also says the 25 gram weights are massive relative to past adjustability. I'm intrigued enough I'm thinking of demoing. Anyone tried it yet? Every TaylorMade club I've swung has been yucky for me, but I believe mostly because of the shafts not being right for me. It looks like I'll need the TP version for the access to the optional shafts?


I'm currently playing a Ping Rapture V2 (OK - it's really old) 10.5 loft with a Diamana Blueboard 63 Stiff.

post #2 of 46

Hank Haney is full of crap.  There are limits in place that they came right up against several (or more) years ago.  All of the improvements now are just hype.  The truth is, for the most part, club improvements peaked around 2003-2006 and the changes since then are more cosmetic than anything else.  IMO - although a lot of people who are way smarter than me agree with me.


I have hit many new clubs.  I currently have 2nd generation Titleist AP2 irons (2006 I think) and a Taylormade R11 driver.  The only real reason to upgrade at this point is from wearing down the faces.  I'm probably due for that in a year or two.

post #3 of 46

Maybe this is the club I've been waiting for.  I've been playing for 20 years and am still waiting for them to design a club to fix everything about my game.

post #4 of 46

All I want is a forgiving club that hits miles. I don't understand why there aren't more/any non-conforming clubs and balls since the vast majority of golfers never compete in any kind of sanctioned event. I think that the USGA/R&A rules severely constrain the possibility of club and ball technology

post #5 of 46

A month ago, the east coast winter golf show was in the Philly area and vendors were selling the '14 Taylor Made SLDR for $140. One short year ago, this was the latest and greatest. Marketing hype rules in golf. Now if only I could buy about 10 mph of swing speed, that would be worth the investment.

post #6 of 46

I have learned over the years, by my own experience and from the comments of others, that a new driver, any new driver, will allow your to hit it straighter and 10 yards farther. Until the first time you don't.

post #7 of 46

Do they come trained from the factory?

post #8 of 46
Thread Starter 

I went to Dick's (Sporting Goods) and hit it today. Unfortunately the simulator was down so all I could do was test the feel. I'm not impressed with the stock shaft. I'm not so much interested in the hype. I am interested in seeing if any significant differences can be detected by the simulator (/launch monitor). Also unfortunately, my local store does not have a demo "TP" version available to hit, not to mention any of the custom shaft options. I bought my current Ping driver after testing it on a launch monitor and that process has proved its value. I am curious whether this driver has technology that is different enough to change my game. Maybe we'll see, maybe we won't.

post #9 of 46

Rusty, you may have better luck at an actual golf fitter.


Although I should not be talking.  I've not bought a new club in since 2006 (although I was given a nice hybrid 3).  I'm convinced that if the technology exists to improve my game, I'm not in a position to reap the rewards from it yet.  Until I can get more consistent results (good or bad) with my current clubs, I won't get them with new ones.  Doesn't help that these days, with the kids and work, I only get out 5 or 6 times per season.

post #10 of 46
Thread Starter 

I have a fitter I've used for irons. It's been a while since I've seen him. Since I (cough) retired last summer I only get out 5-6 times .... per week (when it is not ski season).


Looks like Titleist is also jumping on the more forward center of gravity concept to decrease spin/increase distance with their new 915D4 driver. It looks like the cost for more distance is it less forgiving on off center hits.

post #11 of 46
Originally Posted by TheRusty View Post

Since I (cough) retired last summer I only get out 5-6 times .... per week (when it is not ski season).




Yeah yeah yeah, rub it in.  You sound like my father in law.  :beercheer:

post #12 of 46
Thread Starter 

Don't worry. In another couple of months you might see some spring weather in Binghampton.

post #13 of 46
Thread Starter 

Hmmm - found another new club that is advertising more forward CG. I never heard of PowerBilt. It seems like these guys are full of gas.

post #14 of 46

PowerBilt is a Walmart level clubmaker

post #15 of 46
I always think a new and different driver will help the cause. Regarding the SLDR, I lofted up to a 12 degree and played the SLDR last year replacing the R11 that was in the bag. Really did not hit it any better, maybe worse than the 11, but my steep OTH swing no doubt compromises my efforts.

My buddy has a SLDR too that he got at his old roommates golf shop. I think he even stopped playing his last year for awhile. Anyway, the thing about the SLDR the golf shop guy said was it had a small "sweet spot" and would be crazy long if you hit it right, but was a pretty unforgiving driver.

I think my experience with the SLDR would support that. I think it is a better players club really. As LP indicates the stock shaft SLDR can be bought now at a steep discount. I was at the Pittsburgh Golf Show Saturday and Rock Bottom Golf had them marked at $139!

Anyway , unfortunately it's the Indian and not the Arrow, but that's no fun so I left with a 2013 Adams Super LS driver (the lesser of the two models not the one Kenny Perry plays) Paid $77 for it. Supposed to have a big sweet spot! It has a velocity slot behind the face. I know you can't juice up the head anymore than the restitution or whatever specs are, but with all the hype with golf equipment the clubs that I believed delivered on the distance promise were the Rocketballz clubs with the slot.

I'm 60 now and I have had some Adams clubs over the years, and for some reason their clubs seem easier to hit. Old man golf maybe they got figured out.

More than likely I just wasted some more money! Been on the internet obsessed with Bobby Lopez instructional videos. His website Quick Fix Golf has great stuff on it IMHO. Plus he's super entertaining. I might drive down to Va. This year and take a lesson

Hit it straight everybody skiing here is about over and it won't snow much out west. Time to start up with the next obsession!
post #16 of 46

Would like to jack this thread while Taylor Made is being talked about. 


I am contemplating new irons, and would appreciate input form you folks. Hitting and old set of Taylor Made RAC OS3's, and some of the faces are getting pretty rugged (I want new irons :D ).


TM feels comfortable to me and fit my eye, leaning towards the Rocketballz. Any other comments on these or others? I do respect the knowledge you guys possess so might as well ask.


A side note for the golfing Bears. I am working on a project about 20 minutes from Bandon Dunes and look to be here at least through the Summer (perhaps quite a bit longer) in Coos Bay Oregon. If anybody is contemplating a trip this way I have a spare bedroom if you are trying to do it on a budget (can't help with the green fees). Bears are always welcome.


Would appreciate your thoughts.

post #17 of 46

Take your time and try hitting a bunch of irons. Whatever suits your eye is definitely important though, since mental confidence is so important.  It's why I could never, ever use one of those white headed drivers... it just doesn't look right to me and pretty sure I wouldn't be able to get past that.


I may have to take you up on Bandon - never been there and have been meaning to for a while now.  :)

post #18 of 46
It's true that drivers maxed out the regulations in terms of CoR, club head volume, etc. But the introduction of adjustable shaft lie/loft, moveable/adjustable weights, etc means you no longer have to correct your swing? you simply adjust your club.

Who's really willing to put the practise in to correct a swing fault.

Besides, golf is declining and slowly suffocating itself. Baffling and bizzare rules, the time it takes to play a round, the cost. Young people are turning away in droves.

Personally, I'd like to see 12 hole courses. 9 is not enough and 18 is too many.
post #19 of 46
Originally Posted by joe strummer View Post

 Young people are turning away in droves.

Well, there is that for the upside. :) 


I'm heading out now to play 9 at Tin Cup G.C. Still working on my swing with my 1992 TAYLORMADE MIDSIZE SYSTEM 2 driver.

post #20 of 46
Thread Starter 

Just got my first round of the year in today and I'm depressed because the forecast calls for 2-4 inches of snow tomorrow. I definitely need more work to get back in the swing of things before I go shop for a new driver. I did get some leads on nearby shops that have the TP and decent fitting services. 


Powerbilt also does Louisville Sluggers. Not related to golf, but not a slouch in the bat department as far as I know. They've been making golf clubs for almost 100 years! Evidently they were a premium brand back in the days of persimmon clubs.


Stranger - 

When I switched from rack irons to custom built irons I quickly went from a 18 handicap to a 12 and got 2 clubs longer. There are a few things about getting custom clubs. First is you are going to get the right lofts so there are no gaps between your wedges and your irons and your irons and your hybrids. Second, you only get the clubs you need vs getting an extra club or two on the wedge/hybrid end. Next you get the right lie angles and club lengths for your swing/body size. Finally, you get the shafts "pured". I thought that was a bunch of bunk until I got my clubs. My fitter had asked me if I had a favorite club in my old set. I didn't really, but I had 2 clubs that I swung more reliably than the others. He said "all of your new clubs are going to be your favorite club". He was right. You won't believe the difference until you swing the clubs. It's an incredibly subtle feeling, but it makes a huge difference. I'll never buy irons out of a box again. At the least, get a fitting done!

post #21 of 46
Originally Posted by wooley12 View Post

Well, there is that for the upside. :) 



I'm thankful for the Tiger Woods drop-off...much better chance of getting a decent tee-time.  For less than $175...

post #22 of 46
Originally Posted by JayT View Post

Take your time and try hitting a bunch of irons. Whatever suits your eye is definitely important though, since mental confidence is so important.  It's why I could never, ever use one of those white headed drivers... it just doesn't look right to me and pretty sure I wouldn't be able to get past that.


I may have to take you up on Bandon - never been there and have been meaning to for a while now.  :)

I kind of agree.  I hate trying to use cavity back irons.  I've always used blades and they just feel better or correct.  It's all mental and I know it..but..confidence goes a long way!  :)

post #23 of 46
Originally Posted by wooley12 View Post

I have learned over the years, by my own experience and from the comments of others, that a new driver, any new driver, will allow your to hit it straighter and 10 yards farther. Until the first time you don't.

S'trewth.  :D


I'm not giving advice...I'm currently hitting bogey golf..my input is useless.  :o

post #24 of 46
Regarding the Powerbilt drivers with nitrogen gas, had one of those too, and for me it was a pretty good stick . I hit that club pretty well actually and loved the "pop" I felt when I hit it good.

Mine ended up with a rattle on the bottom where the head was filled with nitrogen and I sent it back and received a new one.

Looking back I had. Ping G2 driver way back when, and it was a great driver for me. Have heard a good number of people over the years express their satisfaction about Ping drivers. Now the Ping's are equipped with Turbulators. Hey why not.

Now that I think about it I also had a Bang driver about 10 years ago that had the chrome air fins or whatever on the head that supposedly increased club head speed. Great driver and I should have kept it longer. Gave it to a guy who did a big favor for me.
post #25 of 46

You don't have to be goood to hit it looong.... few times. I did it twice tonight.  After pausing to call to an elk grazing 30 yds away I smacked my range ball 260 down the middle on my last hole.


If they are going to sell $500 adjustable drivers it should be like buying a ski boot. Included in the price should be a fitting session that would include a total swing analysis in a simulator with a technician  to dial it in for you.

Edited by wooley12 - 3/19/15 at 7:00pm
post #26 of 46
Thread Starter 

Dicks has a deal where if you order the fitting session and buy a club, the fitting session cost is deducted from the club price. My last driver purchase at a local shop did not have a formal fitting session, but their hitting bay had a launch monitor and I compared results until I found the best increase in length and reduction in dispersion vs my current club and my budget. My fitter that I used for my custom irons built a lot of custom drivers too. He did not have many options for "name" club heads, but the total price for the fitting and the club would have been about the same as buying a "name" club at a golf store. If the resulting performance is as good or better, who cares? For me, I was a sucker for named woods, but got a "fitting" for free anyway. At least in my area, there are plenty of places where the fitting is essentially included for free.


The first problem with most people getting a fitting session for an adjustable club is that these clubs are being marketed for adjustability after the sale and most people don't have the ability to figure out for themselves whether a swing fix is better than a club fix or what club fix should be made. Every club fitting session I've done has come with some free swing fix advice. Dicks, btw, fired all (? or like several hundred) of their PGA pros on staff last summer. Granted, it doesn't take a genius to see a huge amount of right sidespin on a launch monitor, observe an out to in swing path and offer a change to grip, stance/alignment or swing path. My problem with adjustable clubs is that if you have a half way repeatable swing the only adjusting you need is getting the club specs right at purchase. For me it appears that the shaft is at least 1/2 the performance of the club. Why pay more for fewer choices for shafts? This is one of the reasons that the R15 TP has some attraction. I already know that I can get it with a shaft that works for me and I'm hoping to be able to demo it against shafts that could be better,

post #27 of 46
Yea, I agree about your points regarding the shafts even though I have been fitted for a driver, I believe it can make a big difference. I was going to go out to a place last fall that had Trackman monitor and see what my spin , launch, etc numbers were and see where this process would lead me regarding shafts head lofts etc.

Did not do that something sidelined me but think this is money well spent. Probably won't get to it this year either, the riding lawn mower spring tune up included a new carburetor and the bill is like $450. Have to buy my season passes for next year and locker on and on .

As for adjustability compensating for severe swing maladies , I don't think the adjustments make a big difference I.e.if you're swinging outside in and coming across the ball more than likely it's going right even if you are set up with the adjustments for a draw. I guess you could pull it left as well if the face was closed, but it isn't likely going straight.

Have a friend that went the component route getting fitted with Wishon equipment and it was pretty expensive but he believes it was well worth it.
post #28 of 46
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My irons have Wishon heads. I heard that Tom Wishon was the head designer for Golfsmith before he did his own thing but Wikipedia says nothing about that.

post #29 of 46

My irons are System 3000 Tour from about 1990. I got them fitted and built for me by a club maker who worked with all of the local big sticks. He told me that I was a standard lie and regular length for the shaft. After I played a few rounds, I had him alter the swing weight on my 5 iron and it went from Whaa? to "like buttah".  Forged Mizuno knock off. High, low, right, left...very workable for me. The fitter had build me a set with a "game improvement" clubhead first, but they went 10 yards shorter and wouldn't listen to me.



Driver - Flash forward about 15 years and I find a driver at a par 5 leaning against the ball washer. Wouldn't you know it was a System 3000 tour driver!!! 320cc head, 10.5 loft with a soft shaft. So I give it a go. Swing balanced and slow. Hit a long high draw that leaves me 180 away from the green. Home in 2. I left my phone number in the pro shop but no one called. It's not my daily driver but I'll carry 2 drivers if it windy.

post #30 of 46

Thanks guys.


After spending most of the afternoon with a fitter, the Rac's turned into TaylorMade Speed Blades. They felt pretty much the same just a lot longer and straighter, (good trade).


Off to Bandon Dunes in the morning to hit some balls, and Bandon Crossing in the afternoon. Time to go teach more golf balls to swim.

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