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Does the ski I want exist?

post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 

Rented some powder skis for the storm day at Alta last week (Tuesday 3/3).

 

I was on Atomic Automatic 117's in 185 length, my wife was on Soul 7's in 175.

 

Totally loved the Atomics.

 

So of course I've been thinking about a set of powder skis. The problem is that most of my skiing is done a my 900' home hill in Central NY. We'll get up to the 'dacks a couple times and VT a couple times, and we do a week out west every year. A  little hard for me to justify powder skis...but...

 

A buddy of mine is going to lend me his spare AT setup to do a little touring with him and his wife so that has me thinking maybe I could find a ski to use as an in bounds powder ski but mount AT bindings to do some touring and that way get more use out of the ski than something that is solely for deep powder days in bounds.

 

He said the Automatics I liked so much would be too heavy for touring. I'm 5'11, 220 lbs, reasonably aggressive competent skier. My one ski quiver is my Prophet 90's in 186 length.

 

So is there a ski out there in the 110'ish to 115ish range that would work for me on a few powder days a year plus be reasonable to use for some occasional touring?

post #2 of 28

Billy, I have nothing to add except that some fat skis might come in handy this weekend at Greek.  Water skis, perhaps.

 

Not sure if you saw, but Saturday is Berger's demo day (9-3).  Bring a rain coat (41 degrees and rainy).

post #3 of 28
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Originally Posted by billyymc View Post

 

He said the Automatics I liked so much would be too heavy for touring. I'm 5'11, 220 lbs, reasonably aggressive competent skier. My one ski quiver is my Prophet 90's in 186 length.

 

So is there a ski out there in the 110'ish to 115ish range that would work for me on a few powder days a year plus be reasonable to use for some occasional touring?

Yes.

post #4 of 28
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post
 

Yes.

 

ha…thats what I get for asking a yes/no question.

 

Expand please?

 

Ed - Yeah, prob not going on Saturday unless the rain is light. Will be there Sunday hoping for some soft spring conditions, and tailgating at 5

post #5 of 28
Which generation Fx 84 do you have? Isthere a window pane in the tail?
post #6 of 28
DPS and Moment both make some crazy light fat skis.
post #7 of 28
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

Which generation Fx 84 do you have? Isthere a window pane in the tail?

 

Que?

 

Only skis I have are Line Prophet 90's, 186 length.

post #8 of 28
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post

DPS and Moment both make some crazy light fat skis.

 

Light, but will they work for me at my size or will they be noodles?

 

Looking for some recommendations as I have no idea where to start looking for a ski that will work well for me for this dual purpose.

post #9 of 28
Sorry, i confused you with another thread.

1st, you need to decide if you really are going to get AT bindings and which ones. Dukes are god awful heavy so you don't want those probably.

If Dps, maybe the newer 112 Wailer Rpc which isn't as rockered as the RP and is a bit stiffer with less sidecut which would be better for your weight.

http://www.dpsskis.com/en/skis/all-mountain-mixed-snow/wailer-112-rpc.html

Otherwise, light and fat skis are beyond my knowledge base. There is the new Kastle FX 105 Hp coming out though which is a little narrower than you wanted, but...
post #10 of 28

4FRNT Raven

post #11 of 28

Not fat, but the 2014/15 Stöckli SR100 was designed for touring complete with a notch for skins in the front.  Very light ski, yet remarkably stable and secure.  Not a hard snow ski, however.  I don't know about the 2015/16 model.

post #12 of 28

Being a Praxis fan, I feel compelled to mention that you could consider the touring (aka ultralight)  version of the GPO. Roughly similar dimensions to the Atomic. 8.6 pounds in a 187. (non-touring version is a bunch cheaper and 9.3 pounds, though that is close the Automatic...). They are pretty well liked in my household. Put one of the better framed 13 DIN AT bindings on it and good fun could be had. Though said bindings add height and weight you would not want unless you are really going to skin now and again.

 

Personally, at a roughly similar weight to you, I'd jump on the Protest for this. But most years I have access to lots of soft snow. Given your situation, it may well be overkill. Still, just a super soft snow ski.

 

The spring "double coupon" sale gets you 20% off with the usual coupon code ("EPIC" should work I think). Or any existing customer can dish out a new customer discount code that I believe gets 30% off listed price on the current sale (vs the usual 15%) - and some points toward their additional discounts.... Heck, I should probably post a thread about the sale. Some crazy good deals....


Edited by spindrift - 3/12/15 at 6:09pm
post #13 of 28
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Being a Praxis fan, I feel compelled to mention that you could consider the touring version of the GPO. Roughly similar dimensions to the Atomic. 8.6 pounds in a 187. (non-touring version is a bunch cheaper and 9.3 pounds, though that is close the Automatic...). They are pretty well liked in my household. Put one of the better framed 13 DIN AT bindings on it and good fun could be had. Though said bindings add height and weight you would not want unless you are really going to skin now and again.

Personally, at a roughly similar weight to you, I'd jump on the Protest for this. But most years I have access to lots of soft snow. Given your situation, it may well be overkill. Still, just a super soft snow ski.

The spring "double coupon" sale gets you 20% off with the usual coupon code ("EPIC" should work I think). Or any existing customer can dish out a new customer discount code that I believe gets 30% off listed price on the current sale (vs the usual 15%) - and some points toward their additional discounts.... Heck, I should probably post a thread about the sale. Some crazy good deals....
20% + 30% + 15% is a helluva discount.
post #14 of 28

And a very high quality product, FWIW. 

post #15 of 28

Heh - I was a bit confused to start with. Maybe I'm slow....And I may not have done a good job laying it out.  I believe the current sale just doubles any of the "standard" discounts. I think they are exclusive (if not - that'd be better than I could imagine..). The generic codes are the usual ones floating around - like EPIC (presumably still active)  - any of which gets 20% for the next week or so. Alternatively, I think the loyalty program ones current customers can dish out to new ones get 30% for that timeframe. All against the current posted price. Like I said - I think you pick one or the other... If anyone knows otherwise, I'd be curious....

post #16 of 28

Considering you liked the Automatics, why not get them. For the amount of touring you'd do on them, I wouldn't be concerned with the weight whatsoever.

post #17 of 28
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Originally Posted by tsk94 View Post
 

Considering you liked the Automatics, why not get them. For the amount of touring you'd do on them, I wouldn't be concerned with the weight whatsoever.

 

Something to think about tsk. I had no frame of reference for the Automatics as it was the first time I'd ever rented powder skis, but I did really like the way they skied all over the mountain that day.

 

I thought maybe the Automatic 109's might be a good choice but after reading some reviews wonder if they're too soft for me. I don't have a lot of options for demoing powder skis where I live.

 

Thanks for all the suggestions.

post #18 of 28
This was posted in the Ranger 108 thread.
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Not that this has anything to do with the Ranger...

I threw my dynafits on Fischer's Hannibal 100... for a company known more for racing and all mountain skis, they sure figured out how to make a fantastic touring ski. Super light (maybe 1400g/ski?), little bit of rocker, and can still carve shockingly well given their lightness. They've been perfect for spring corn tours. Definitely an impressive touring ski from a company not really known for their (non-nordic) backcountry offerings.
post #19 of 28

Icelantic Vanguard

post #20 of 28
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Originally Posted by billyymc View Post
 

 

Something to think about tsk. I had no frame of reference for the Automatics as it was the first time I'd ever rented powder skis, but I did really like the way they skied all over the mountain that day.

 

I thought maybe the Automatic 109's might be a good choice but after reading some reviews wonder if they're too soft for me. I don't have a lot of options for demoing powder skis where I live.

 

Thanks for all the suggestions.

Tried the Automatic 109 last week end in 182 cm... Interesting capacity to smear but there was a serious lack of tail... The Soul 7 (180 cm) was better in that domain but don't like the feel of them... If you are interested, I'm preparing myself to sell my Kastle fx104 ( 184 cm) mounted with Adrenalin 13 and coming with Kastle pre-cut skins... It is a very nice ski but since I love skiing in very tight trees when it 's just snowed, the fx104 is not the best weapon for that ( in fact, it is the only thing it don't do very well...)

Also have a pair of automatic 117 (193 cm) mounted with Marker F12...never skied them yet...bought them at the end of last season and lets just say that this season was not a 117 mm ski season around here... 

post #21 of 28

Mogsie, you are ALWAYS selling skis!  You must go through them like I go through socks.

 

That said, you got a deal on any mid-80ish sticks that are damp, and can easily handle frontside and bumps without having dead legs by the end of the day?

 

/thread drift (sorry)

post #22 of 28
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Type3SnoBlader View Post
 

Icelantic Vanguard

 

Besides the chupacabra graphic those seem like they might work for me. Any idea how they compare to the Voile V8?

 

Mogsie - thanks for the feedback on the Automatic 109's. Not sure about the Kastles…will do a bit of research and let you know if I'm interested.

 Are you selling the Automatic 117s?

post #23 of 28

Different graphic for next year: https://www.flickr.com/photos/powder7skis/16334663580

 

I  resort-skied it last month the day after an 18" storm and it was a lot of fun. 

post #24 of 28
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Originally Posted by billyymc View Post
 

 

 Are you selling the Automatic 117s?

Should I? You tell me since you're the one who skied them...;)

Honestly, I don't know yet, I was reserving them for a trip where there is more snow than here but didn't do it this year...but I would have love to have the possibility to try them before taking them to a trip... Never skied a ski that large; the largest one I ski is my Patron at 113 mm and 185 cm long. I'm pretty sure the Automatic 117 will have a lot more flotation; not just because of the 4 mm wider underfoot but also because it is lighter and mostly because of the different conception of the rocker and flex

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Originally Posted by Gunnerbob View Post
 

Mogsie, you are ALWAYS selling skis!  You must go through them like I go through socks. Yeah but my skis smell nicer...:-)

 

That said, you got a deal on any mid-80ish sticks that are damp, and can easily handle frontside and bumps without having dead legs by the end of the day? I do...magnum 8.5 (181 cm) new...

 

/thread drift (sorry)

post #25 of 28
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Originally Posted by Type3SnoBlader View Post
 

Different graphic for next year: https://www.flickr.com/photos/powder7skis/16334663580

 

I  resort-skied it last month the day after an 18" storm and it was a lot of fun. 

really nice graphics!

post #26 of 28
Did you consider the Fischer Ranger 108? They're very light. Got great reviews. They do say Fischer on the top though.
post #27 of 28

Different strokes for different folks.... For me, at about the OP's weight, anything under 110 to 115 is quite less fun in powder. Heck, even that's skinny but for other trade offs. Also, while the Vanguard looks like an interesting step for Icelantic (have not paid much attention to them lately), it looks like it has no tail rocker. If indeed that is the case, IMO that's a major drawback for a ski that's going to be used in powder.

post #28 of 28

Maybe consider keeping your Prophets and adding a powder ski to your cupboard. Fit both with QuiverKillers and buy an AT frame binding for use on both.

 

I'm 220lbs as well and have a pair of Mantras(96 underfoot) and a pair of wider Elan Boomerangs (120 underfoot)  for daily use in snowier climes. I plan to fit inserts and use a pair of Salomon/Atomic trackers on both. of course I'll have to buy and extra set of brakes and skins but that combo will do me for everywhere I ski, hard Oz/NZ snow to bottomless Japow. A similar setup would suit you for East and West skiing.

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