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ex world cup racers, do they still race?

post #1 of 21
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  I just wondered if ex world cup racers still race?  Also where would they race?  It would seem that after all that training it would be in your blood to continue racing years after being in the world cup.  Maybe they get burned out though who knows just wondered if they still competed anywhere in any sort of league.  Out of curiosity I was looking up some people in Nastar but didn't see anything.  Obviously I didn't look up everyone just a few.

post #2 of 21
Yes. Some former US team members doing some masters USSA racing a la Cary Adgate, and others. A number are involved in coaching at many different levels. Others show up for charity events. The best one i heard about was a group of PNW based former team women doing a 24 hour event and just crushing everyone.
post #3 of 21
Daren Rahlves just went skiercross and extreme. Some go "pro". Some fade into the wood work. Some coach. Some do sportscasting. I think some have been involved with Nastar professionally, but really, it would be a total bore, better to do Masters.
post #4 of 21

Pam Fletcher (who was on the US Ski Team and won a race or two in her career) raced at the Nashoba Valley (Massachusetts) beer league for a year or two.  She grew up racing at Nashoba though, she still lives here, and her family owns Nashoba Valley, so... 

 

That said, she is not the only ex-world-cup racer to have raced at Nashoba.  We've had other ex-USST'ers and Norwegian ski teamers race in our league.  Needless to say, their only competition is each other.

 

I imagine if you grew up racing and competing, you need to find some form of competition to fill the void.  Night race leagues work well for now-professionally-employed ex racers who probably have families, job commitments, etc.

post #5 of 21

Some enter local FIS events to "give their points" to local race events. I know of at least four locally who have done or are currently doing it.

post #6 of 21
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  I would love to watch them race.  Personally I have never seen a World Cup racer live.  That must be an experience, but had the opportunity to be coached by an ex World Cup racer.  She was very down to earth but told me she does not race in any local leagues.

post #7 of 21
Did you see her ski? Did you ski behind her? That's the opportunity not to miss. You can't follow them in the gates, but you can free skiing. smile.gif
Edited by markojp - 3/11/15 at 12:36pm
post #8 of 21

AJ Kitt is heavily involved with Nastar. He's raced, or pace set at the Eastern Championships or whatever they're called. I know someone who raced against him and was given a good gate and a half lead on a < 20 sec course. He still lost badly and AJ is not in prime shape.

post #9 of 21
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Did you see her ski? Did you ski behind her? That's the opportunity not to miss. You can't follow them in the gates, but you can free skiing. smile.gif

 

  Yes I did get to see her free ski and run some gates.  It was a good day.

 

  Even watching people that are the fastest on a league race can be very inspiring.  Lots of very skilled racers out there.

post #10 of 21

(http://www.nastar.com/photos/2014-pacesetters-at-nationals)

 

World and Olympic Champion Ted Ligety is NASTAR's National Pacesetter and he is the standard for all NASTAR (NAtional STAndardRace) races. NASTAR participants earn a handicap when they race which represent the difference between their time and Ted's time or the Par Time.

 

The Regional Pacesetting Trials are used to establish pacesetting handicaps for each resort's NASTAR pacesetters. Four-time Olympian AJ Kitt is NASTAR's traveling pacesetter and he sets the pace for Ted at each pacesetting race. Resort Pacesetters earn handicap(s) based on their performance against the Par Time set by AJ. The NASTAR handicap is a score, and like golf a lower score is desired and represents better skills. 

 

There are six Regional Pacesetting Trials across the country. Each NASTAR Resort must sends 2-5 pacesetters to the trials to earn Certified NASTAR Pacesetting Handicaps. Once certified, pacesetters can use their handicap(s) to set Ted's Par Time for NASTAR races on their mountain and in turn give each participant a handicap and award them a NASTAR medals in their age group.

 

The Nature Valley NASTAR National Championships serves as the National Pacesetting Trials for the 2014-15 season.

Pacesetters: Steve NymanCasey PuckettErik FisherAJ KittStacey CookKaylin Richardson & Ted Ligety.

post #11 of 21
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Nastar pacesetters for 2014:

(http://www.nastar.com/photos/2014-pacesetters-at-nationals)

 

 

The Nature Valley NASTAR National Championships serves as the National Pacesetting Trials for the 2014-15 season.

Pacesetters: Steve NymanCasey PuckettErik FisherAJ KittStacey CookKaylin Richardson & Ted Ligety.

 

 

Yep I have seen these as promotional events.  I want to go to one and have qualified since 2005, just need to save some funds and go.  The question was more around if they do more than promotional events.

 

Ironic enough AJ Kitt was here for the Midwest and I didn't even realize it.  I was just upset for being behind the pacesetter by those darn 3 seconds.


Edited by utahsaint - 3/11/15 at 2:19pm
post #12 of 21
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Did you see her ski? Did you ski behind her? That's the opportunity not to miss. You can't follow them in the gates, but you can free skiing. smile.gif

 

So true...I was at Beaver Creek when the World Championships were there, and have never seen so many outstanding skiers in my life, just skiing around, to and from training areas or just around the mountain in a few cases. The racers, coaches, staff, etc. etc. are all on another level.

 

You can tell the pros by the fact that they fly around at face-flapping speeds, but look like they're going no faster than a lazy mosey, with slow and deliberate movements. 

post #13 of 21

In Aspen there is a race league sponsored by the local paper called The Aspen Times Town Race Series.  Five time Olympian Casey Puckett competes in the series.  Casey retired back in 2002 but was lured back to racing when he saw the ski-cross at the X-Games in Aspen.  He didn't have any travel expenses so he decided to enter, and he won!  He realized that he "still had it" and feels the need to compete ever since.  I think he influenced Daron Rahlves to get involved in ski-cross after his retirement. 

 

Swedish team member Patrick Jaerbyn also competes in the Town Series.  He retired from the World Cup as recently as 2010. 

 

Casey still beats guys with a four Nastar handicap by over four seconds. 

post #14 of 21

There's a sprinkling of them in the Stowe Ski Bum series (aka Tuesday World Cup).

post #15 of 21

Haven't noticed any big names on the Master's circuit, but I think you'll find more ex-collegiate racers there. Nastar is a much lower level--I'm still surprised how little participation in that level, but I guess resorts have started using public racing as another income generator instead of feeding into the Nastar ranks. But it still is good family fun.

 

I don't think there are any pro-circuits anymore--someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Otherwise, there are celebrity skifests and legend of skiing events.

post #16 of 21
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Haven't noticed any big names on the Master's circuit, but I think you'll find more ex-collegiate racers there. Nastar is a much lower level--I'm still surprised how little participation in that level, but I guess resorts have started using public racing as another income generator instead of feeding into the Nastar ranks. But it still is good family fun.

 

 

  There is not much participation as you noted and of course no big names.  Most of the time Nastar racers here are league racers that are quite proficient, and working on getting lines down.  I know some of them are running in at least two leagues and an advanced race class in the morning (which I did as well last year).  The skill level they possess is very high at least the same level as league racers, because that is what they are.  This last year it was rare to see family participation and only a few kids where racing.  Sort of the reason that I like to go, where else can you work for two hours on gates for $10.

 

  I am not sure about pro circuits.  They probably didn't get enough publicity to keep those going if they exist.  Just seems like an area missing from the market but I could be wrong.  I mean after all isn't that what Masters is?

post #17 of 21
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Daren Rahlves just went skiercross and extreme. 

Is he still doing that? I know he races head-to-head every year with the winner of the Darren Rahlves Banzai Tour, and wins. 

post #18 of 21
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  There is not much participation as you noted and of course no big names.  Most of the time Nastar racers here are league racers that are quite proficient, and working on getting lines down.  I know some of them are running in at least two leagues and an advanced race class in the morning (which I did as well last year).  The skill level they possess is very high at least the same level as league racers, because that is what they are.  This last year it was rare to see family participation and only a few kids where racing.  Sort of the reason that I like to go, where else can you work for two hours on gates for $10.

 

  I am not sure about pro circuits.  They probably didn't get enough publicity to keep those going if they exist.  Just seems like an area missing from the market but I could be wrong.  I mean after all isn't that what Masters is?

 

My apologies. I didn't mean to sound negative about the quality of Nastar races. After watching the World Championships at Beaver Creek and then seeing runs at Winter Park, there was a big gap. Mostly saw families having an absolute blast showing their kids how to have fun in the sport. I was very impressed by some of the very young USSA racers U12 (some looked pretty tiny) practicing on the course.

 

The World Cup is not longer amateur, so there are payouts so what would Pro actually mean at this point?

Some very nice totals for the top racers for the season at FIS:  http://data.fis-ski.com/alpine-skiing/prize-money-ranking.html

 

And tomorrow I'll go to my first race in 25+ years--our ski club's Chicken Race. Loser cooks dinner. :duel:

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Is he still doing that? I know he races head-to-head every year with the winner of the Darren Rahlves Banzai Tour, and wins.

 

I had not even heard of that one. Looks like they get a good group together. Unfortunately, the US doesn't seem to know how to take advantage of their skiing marketing opportunities. Most ski broadcasts are on the weekend when the people that want to watch them--skiers--are out doing what they love.

post #20 of 21
I wouldn't worry about insulting Nastar since most who do it know what it is. It's like a chef worrying about insulting McDonalds.
post #21 of 21
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My apologies. I didn't mean to sound negative about the quality of Nastar races. After watching the World Championships at Beaver Creek and then seeing runs at Winter Park, there was a big gap. Mostly saw families having an absolute blast showing their kids how to have fun in the sport. I was very impressed by some of the very young USSA racers U12 (some looked pretty tiny) practicing on the course.

 

The World Cup is not longer amateur, so there are payouts so what would Pro actually mean at this point?

Some very nice totals for the top racers for the season at FIS:  http://data.fis-ski.com/alpine-skiing/prize-money-ranking.html

 

And tomorrow I'll go to my first race in 25+ years--our ski club's Chicken Race. Loser cooks dinner. :duel:

 

You should see it here in the Midwest.  We had AJ Kitt show up for the Midwest Championships and someone was within .2 seconds of his pace.  Yeah they are that good here, always.  I don't know where you race but they rock here.  Sort of why I had the line of questions going.  I understand though that Nastar is seen as family racing.

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