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post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 

New to EpicSki.  I'd like some guidance on tipping private instructors and group instructors.  My family is going to be skiing over Spring Break in a few weeks. 

 

For a 1/2 day private lesson, the resort charges ~$160 (multi-day discount reflected in this price).  I was planning to tip $30 or around 20%.  For a full-day children's group lesson, the resort charges $120, and I was planning to tip $10-20 depending on the quality of the class.

 

The private lesson tip seems a bit low to me, on the other hand, the resort's multi-day lesson rate is very low.  I have gone ahead and made the lessons "request privates" to give a free kicker to the instructor. 

 

What do you think?  Thanks.

post #2 of 10
I don't believe in percentage tipping. My goal is to have the aggregate tip from everyone likely to tip add up to $20 per hour. So if you are in a group lesson and no one else shows up, tip as if it was a private.

You can adjust up or down based on regional cost of living, what you think is fair, and your own financial situation. Figure that most ski resorts chip in something around minimum wage, and there is a lot of unpaid time surrounding the actual lesson.
post #3 of 10

Here you go - a big thread dealing with every angle of tipping...

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/131963/the-2015-tipping-your-instructor-thread

 

There are a bunch of older ones if you search as well, some longer than that one.

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Originally Posted by DC8750 View Post
 

New to EpicSki.  I'd like some guidance on tipping private instructors and group instructors.  My family is going to be skiing over Spring Break in a few weeks. 

 

For a 1/2 day private lesson, the resort charges ~$160 (multi-day discount reflected in this price).  I was planning to tip $30 or around 20%.  For a full-day children's group lesson, the resort charges $120, and I was planning to tip $10-20 depending on the quality of the class.

 

The private lesson tip seems a bit low to me, on the other hand, the resort's multi-day lesson rate is very low.  I have gone ahead and made the lessons "request privates" to give a free kicker to the instructor. 

 

What do you think?  Thanks.


Welcome to EpicSki!  Good for you for thinking ahead of time about requesting and tipping instructors.

 

Sometimes when the cost is relatively low because of a package deal or other reason, I'll figure a tip amount based on a percentage of what seems like a reasonable hourly rate for private instruction.  What I consider reasonable depends on the region and other factors, but is always at least $25/hour.  Much higher for a very experienced instructor (20+ years).

post #5 of 10
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Thanks for the advice.  I had no idea this topic inspires such long threads.  I'm inclined to tip $40 for the half day private, and $15 for the group kid's lesson.  (We're skiing in a northern VT resort, not Aspen.)  Assuming the lessons are good, I want to show financial appreciation, but I also don't feel that as a consumer it is my obligation to make up for the low wages of the profession.

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Originally Posted by DC8750 View Post
 

Thanks for the advice.  I had no idea this topic inspires such long threads.  I'm inclined to tip $40 for the half day private, and $15 for the group kid's lesson.  (We're skiing in a northern VT resort, not Aspen.)  Assuming the lessons are good, I want to show financial appreciation, but I also don't feel that as a consumer it is my obligation to make up for the low wages of the profession.

 

You're right.  It's not your obligation.

 

The tips you mention above are fair and would undoubtedly be appreciated.

 

The whole tipping thing is a quagmire.

post #7 of 10
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Originally Posted by DC8750 View Post
 

Thanks for the advice.  I had no idea this topic inspires such long threads.  I'm inclined to tip $40 for the half day private, and $15 for the group kid's lesson.  (We're skiing in a northern VT resort, not Aspen.)  Assuming the lessons are good, I want to show financial appreciation, but I also don't feel that as a consumer it is my obligation to make up for the low wages of the profession.

Sounds like a good plan!

 

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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post
 

 

You're right.  It's not your obligation.

 

The tips you mention above are fair and would undoubtedly be appreciated.

 

The whole tipping thing is a quagmire.

I fully agree which is one reason I posted http://www.epicski.com/t/133429/would-better-wages-better-ski-instruction-telluride-ski-patrol-unionizes-are-ski-instructors-next

post #8 of 10
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Originally Posted by DC8750 View Post
 

Thanks for the advice.  I had no idea this topic inspires such long threads.  I'm inclined to tip $40 for the half day private, and $15 for the group kid's lesson.  (We're skiing in a northern VT resort, not Aspen.)  Assuming the lessons are good, I want to show financial appreciation, but I also don't feel that as a consumer it is my obligation to make up for the low wages of the profession.

 

I'm glad you are thinking ahead about tipping. One comment that has me confused is the one about northern VT vs. Aspen. Is it your impression that those of us in northern VT are less tip worthy than instructors at Aspen? I assure you, we work just as hard and deliver just as good a product up here as they do out there. I'd suggest tipping based on the quality of the product you get, and not think about where you're located. 

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Originally Posted by freeski919 View Post
 

 

I'm glad you are thinking ahead about tipping. One comment that has me confused is the one about northern VT vs. Aspen. Is it your impression that those of us in northern VT are less tip worthy than instructors at Aspen? I assure you, we work just as hard and deliver just as good a product up here as they do out there. I'd suggest tipping based on the quality of the product you get, and not think about where you're located. 

 

That comment was in response to the suggestion that I make adjustments up or down according to the regional cost of living and prices.  Realistically, regardless of lesson quality, I dont think it is a realistic expectation for a ski instructor at a VT resort to expect to make as much as a heli guide in Alaska, the same way a NYC lawyer makes multiples of what a lawyer in Denver makes, for example.

 

I guess where I come out on this whole tipping issue is that it sucks that you guys dont get paid that well despite bringing in big revenue for the resort.  But as a customer, I think all I'm obligated to do is to treat you with courtesy and respect, come ready to learn, and to appreciate the services you provide to me and my family.  For me, "being appreciative" means thanking you genuinely, and paying you some amount of money that hopefully makes you feel like I'm not just free-riding the resort's pay structure.  

 

But I'm not going to try and bring your total pay up to a "living wage" or anything like that

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Originally Posted by DC8750 View Post

That comment was in response to the suggestion that I make adjustments up or down according to the regional cost of living and prices.  Realistically, regardless of lesson quality, I dont think it is a realistic expectation for a ski instructor at a VT resort to expect to make as much as a heli guide in Alaska, the same way a NYC lawyer makes multiples of what a lawyer in Denver makes, for example.

I guess where I come out on this whole tipping issue is that it sucks that you guys dont get paid that well despite bringing in big revenue for the resort.  But as a customer, I think all I'm obligated to do is to treat you with courtesy and respect, come ready to learn, and to appreciate the services you provide to me and my family.  For me, "being appreciative" means thanking you genuinely, and paying you some amount of money that hopefully makes you feel like I'm not just free-riding the resort's pay structure.  

But I'm not going to try and bring your total pay up to a "living wage" or anything like that

I think that's a fair thought and goes a lot further in terms of tip consideration than most ski school customers, imo.
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