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post #31 of 49
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I know they're in Portland  and presumably that's where they started but neither Google nor Mapquest can find a 3rd and Proctor anywhere near Portland.

 

Found a newschoolers thread talking about it, according to that it was the corner of 13th and Proctor in Tacoma.

post #32 of 49

The concept 

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Found a newschoolers thread talking about it, according to that it was the corner of 13th and Proctor in Tacoma.

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post #33 of 49
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You just say it out.  O-N-3-P (Oh-Ehn-Three-Pea).  

 

The name came from the house I lived at in college when the idea began.  This started out just me building skis in my garage, so not a ton of thought was given to the name as far as being a company goes.  Nonetheless, the name stuck and here we are.  


it definitely spurs conversation!

post #34 of 49
Thread Starter 

Back to a discussion of the Kartel 98 itself ... does anyone have experience that would help compare the snow feel/capabilities of the Kartel 98 to the following:

 

 -Praxis 9D8 (regular version or UL version)

 - 4FRNT Gauxho

 - Moment PB&J

 

For a more directional, non-park skier who is not a heavyweight (5' 10", 167 lbs.), East Coast only and non-expert (Level 8), if there are other suggestions to consider based on the description I gave of my impressions of the Kartel 98, would love to hear them!


Edited by hobbes429 - 3/29/15 at 10:45am
post #35 of 49
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Originally Posted by hobbes429 View Post

Back to a discussion of the Kartel 98 itself ... does anyone have experience that would help compare the snow feel/capabilities of the Kartel 98 to the following:

 -Praxis 9D8 (regular version or UL version)
 - 4FRNT Gauxho
 - Moment PB&J

For a more directional, non-park skier who is not a heavyweight (5' 10", 167 lbs.), East Coast only and non-expert (Level 8), if there are other suggestions to consider based on the description I gave of my impressions of the Kartel 98, would love to hear them!

no hands on experience but the 9d8 seems to be the only directional ski of these! maybe look at the wrenegade 102 for a directional!
post #36 of 49
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no hands on experience but the 9d8 seems to be the only directional ski of these! maybe look at the wrenegade 102 for a directional!


I should clarify ... while I am a directional skier (no backward skiing), I found the Kartel 98 to be a really good all-mountain ski for the runs I took at Smugglers' Notch.  My purpose in mentioning that I am more of a directional skier was not to eliminate twin tips, but to indicate that I am looking for all-mountain performance whether or not the ski happens to be twin-tip. 

post #37 of 49

171 ON3P Jeffrey 108 with Salomon STH2 13 bindings and Atomic Waymaker 90 boots with WTR soles.

 

Didn't ski the Kartel 98, but I have an older Jeffrey which is almost identical to the Kartel 106 (108 waist, full twin).  At 5'4" 150, I originally thought a 176 would be too long for me so passed on the Tychoon, Vicik, Wren, and went for the 171 Jeffrey to primarily be my tree ski.  I don't ski switch and sort of went with this ski because of the available length.  Bought them without demoing, just on other reviews and comparisons to other skis I've had.  

 

I was also very impressed with their all-mountain capability.  Took them out for 4 days back in Feb at Breck and Beaver Creek and they handled everything I threw at them.  Mount is a +1 of the recommended line (-3 from true center) because of conflicting binding holes.  For my style of skiing I will probably mount behind the line since I don't ski switch much.

 

Groomer performance was very good, can't finish turns like skis with flatter tails but it only took a couple runs to adjust.  Felt solid once you figured out the edge angles and didn't push the turn radius.  Groomer performance was much better than the 172 Blizzard Peacemaker I've tried, and the Peacemaker is a 102 waist so 6mm narrower.  Normally I would only ski groomers with my 170 Nordica Steadfast.

 

Moguls were manageable but I think the narrower waist of the Kartel 98 would be a big difference maker.  This is coming from the Steadfast, which is a 90 waist so anything 100+ is going to feel slower for sure.  With fresh snow I could still ski the zipper line but I was working hard.  Didn't try firm bumps because I wouldn't pick this ski for that type of terrain.

 

Trees were excellent.  There was a decent amount of powder in there, didn't get a chance to test them in skied out trees.  When it got tight, I was confident enough with them to make turns whenever I needed to, like when you have to duck under branches and you pop your head up and see a tree directly in your line.  Never had any problems maneuvering with these, these skis also have the largest rocker profile in my quiver.  If I had my other skis I would've been skiing slower.

 

Big mountain and deeper powder.  At Breck traversing off Imperial towards Peak 6, there was some knee deep snow untouched.  I could feel the tips push back a little but not enough to throw me off balance at the speed I was going, they were predictable.  A longer ski or a traditional directional ski would have been better here, but usually those skis would not be as good in trees and moguls either so keep priorities in mind.

 

Durability. At some of the traverses there were some rock fields that I could hear the scraping as I went over them.  There were 3 other snowboarders in my group, all with sintered bases.  At the end of the day one boarder had a core shot at least the size of a quarter, another guy had 2 smaller core shots and a deep scrape, the 3rd guy was lagging behind so he was able to dodge them.  My skis barely had a surface scrape.  If you can picture waxing your base, and the first brush that you do after you scrape that's as deep as my scratches were.  4001 base material is great!

 

I have a quiver of 3 so the Jeffrey 108 was mainly my tree ski.  In hindsight the Kartel 98 would make more sense and have a little less overlap with my Billy Goat.  Steadfast for 0-2", Kartel/Jeffrey for 2-6", Billy Goat for 6"+.

post #38 of 49

well tried the Kartel 98 and Wren 102 on Saturday at Alta... 

 

loved the Kartel and the Wrens were too close to my BillyGoats and not the kind of skis i wanted to replace my K2 Kung Fujas...

 

i will be purchasing the Kartel 98 and going through the hassle of getting them home to Scotland again...

post #39 of 49
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well tried the Kartel 98 and Wren 102 on Saturday at Alta... 

 

loved the Kartel and the Wrens were too close to my BillyGoats and not the kind of skis i wanted to replace my K2 Kung Fujas...

 

i will be purchasing the Kartel 98 and going through the hassle of getting them home to Scotland again...


What kind of conditions and runs did you ski them in when you demo'd?  Can you share a bit more about your impressions, pros/cons, etc.?  Thanks.

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What kind of conditions and runs did you ski them in when you demo'd?  Can you share a bit more about your impressions, pros/cons, etc.?  Thanks.


well it was Alta spring day... i tried to ski ballroom, bumps, cruisy blue bit and steep bit on Collins and a lap of Sugarloaf...

 

did the same route for the Wrens...

 

i own

 

Fischer SL skis

Salomon Lab real GS skis

K2 Kung Fujas

ON3P Billy Goats

 

so i am aiming to replace the Kung Fujas which are 102 wide... interesting that the Kartels have the feel of the Slalom skis and the poppyness when you ski them hard... it was a fun ski just to scoot about on... pushing it hard on open turns on Mainstream and the top of Sugarloaf... just a good around ski... 98 width felt narrow after the 118 Billy Goats i had skied on the previous 6 days but they certainly were better on ice than the Billy Goats...

 

the Wrens had a similar feel but just were not as poppy and i want a poppy ski that i can go from quick turns to short turns quickly and have some fun on...

post #41 of 49
Thread Starter 

Thanks.  While feedback is not voluminous on these skis, I have yet to find anyone with anything but a positive reaction ... wonder why these don't get more attention?

post #42 of 49
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Thanks.  While feedback is not voluminous on these skis, I have yet to find anyone with anything but a positive reaction ... wonder why these don't get more attention?

Small company against the big boys...

We asked chatting to the demo day guys about Europe... Only place that sells them is in Munich and expensive... It was far cheaper for me to get them delivered to a friend in America then get them to take them back to me in Scotland....
post #43 of 49
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Thanks.  While feedback is not voluminous on these skis, I have yet to find anyone with anything but a positive reaction ... wonder why these don't get more attention?

I think this might be changing.  I think they are making an effort to get more people familiar with their gear.  They were at Bridger Bowl this year with their demo fleet.  I recognized a couple faces from Copper Mountain and talked to them for a while.  Not many people in Montana are familiar with them but the shop where I work is now a dealer and I plan to be talking them up.  Billy Goats are replacing my Atomic Rituals as my fat ski and I may let select people demo them.

post #44 of 49

My friend who bought the Billy Goat after trying them at the 2014 Alta Demo Day is having a ball with them at Alta this week.  He's 6'2", 270 pounds, advanced but not skiing that often.  Lives in southern OR and there wasn't much snow at the local place.  He loves the skis.  Will get to see what they can do in fresh powder tomorrow.

post #45 of 49
I have 5 days on the Steeple 102 and in any sort of soft snow, mashed potatoes, wind blown powder, whatever, its a blast. The Steeple series has reverse eliptical sidecut (RES) like the Billy Goat. The 102 has a 27m radius sidecut so it does big turns nicely though not a charger like the Wrenegade. I don't know if it's RES or what, but it can do quick turns without much effort and doesn't need much speed to perform. I've replaced my Soul7's with this. The Soul7 is a great ski but but the Steeple seems just right for the PNW. The folks at ON3P are creating some great skis.
post #46 of 49
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I have 5 days on the Steeple 102 and in any sort of soft snow, mashed potatoes, wind blown powder, whatever, its a blast. The Steeple series has reverse eliptical sidecut (RES) like the Billy Goat. The 102 has a 27m radius sidecut so it does big turns nicely though not a charger like the Wrenegade. I don't know if it's RES or what, but it can do quick turns without much effort and doesn't need much speed to perform. I've replaced my Soul7's with this. The Soul7 is a great ski but but the Steeple seems just right for the PNW. The folks at ON3P are creating some great skis.


Do you use the Steeple 102 as a downhill resort ski, or do you do touring with it?  Did you by any chance try the Kartel 98 to compare?

post #47 of 49
Thread Starter 

BTW, has anyone skied both the Kartel 98 and the 4frnt Gaucho?  Have not had the chance to demo the Gaucho and was wondering how they might compare/contrast with the Kartel 98.

post #48 of 49
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Do you use the Steeple 102 as a downhill resort ski, or do you do touring with it?  Did you by any chance try the Kartel 98 to compare?

I am using it a resort ski. I think the Tour layup may make it a more lively ski. I've found that it's damp where it needs to be, sinking into a turn with nice rebound out. This makes is really nice for less than stellar chowder conditions. Didn't try the Kartel 98 as I wanted to stick with a directional ski.
post #49 of 49

I see a lot of ON3P skis at Crystal, and the people who ski them love them. Being located in Portland, I assumed they had a grip on the the type of skis that will perform in our heavy snow. My son, who skied CM freeride this year, has his eyes on a pair for next year. I believe he will be the only skier in that group riding ON3P. I am curious if some describe their skis as jib skis because they are twin tip? I always considered their skis to be big mountain freeride skis like the Patron. I am pleased with what I have seen in their products and the fact that they are a Northwest company. We would like to visit their factory, as well. Nice work guys!

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