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post #31 of 57

Discontinued?!?!?  Hopefully just renamed i.e. AR -> AX.  Otherwise, if truly discontinued, Stockli failed to push/advertise  a ski that would seem to be a wonderful blend of damp + lively that is very hard to find.

 

Color me disappointed.

post #32 of 57

That's what I was told - they didn't make many because it's not in next season's line. Like you, I'm hoping for a replacement that shares its wonderful edge and smoothness.

post #33 of 57
After reading about it, curiosity got the better and I demo'd the AX. I'm usually on GS race skis but bought a pr. of AX.......it really is a very fun ski. Regardless of what the tests say though, I found the ski to be friendly and not at all fussy. It's fairly soft longitudinally with a large sweet spot, you can stand anywhere on it. Mine are 175's and the published tests were 183's, so maybe that's where the difference lies between what testers say and what I've experienced. It's not great on very hard / slick snow or real steep, it's not like a race ski, but it holds a good edge and is also surprisingly stable at speed. Quick like a long SL with almost GS stability.
post #34 of 57
The fact that your reference is a GS race ski predicts your reaction. Compared to my own experiences, it's superb on rock hard surfaces and the quietest, most comfortable ski I've ever known. It just isn't a quick turner for me. But had it been available on proform I would have bought it. Stable, stable, stable, and could smooth out a gravel road.
post #35 of 57
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The fact that your reference is a GS race ski predicts your reaction. Compared to my own experiences, it's superb on rock hard surfaces and the quietest, most comfortable ski I've ever known. It just isn't a quick turner for me. But had it been available on proform I would have bought it. Stable, stable, stable, and could smooth out a gravel road.

What's Profrom?
post #36 of 57
Instructors who are members of PSIA get a break on some products. The process - whether online or by actual paper form - is called Proform. It's use is limited, so a member can't buy a load of skis - just a pair a year, I think. Same with other equipment - limited. And only for the instructor/member's own use. If I were Donald Trump I wouldn't care. I'm not, and I care. It partially makes up for the money we pay for national and regional dues and the cost of events required for initial and continuing certification. Some ski areas pay employee/instructors according to their PSIA certification.
post #37 of 57
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Instructors who are members of PSIA get a break on some products. The process - whether online or by actual paper form - is called Proform. It's use is limited, so a member can't buy a load of skis - just a pair a year, I think. Same with other equipment - limited. And only for the instructor/member's own use. If I were Donald Trump I wouldn't care. I'm not, and I care. It partially makes up for the money we pay for national and regional dues and the cost of events required for initial and continuing certification. Some ski areas pay employee/instructors according to their PSIA certification.
nice how deep is the usual discount and what brands/models are covered?
post #38 of 57

In order to enjoy that, one must be a member of PSIA. In order to be a member of PSIA, one must be a ski instructor - meaning, at a ski area. I'm not sure if the price is set for each item or if there's a fixed percentage. Skis, bindings, and clothing and accessories are on the website, and others must be ordered using a printed form. That's all I know, and this is the first year in a very long time I've made use of it. Ski areas also can allow staff to purchase some items at a reduced price.

post #39 of 57

Of all these laser skis, which one resembles the feel and performance of the Kaslte FX84, but with a thinner waist? hopefully that is a reasonable question.

 

There is one Stockli dealer in Central MA and during my visit there recently they were pushing the Scale series instead of the Laser series. I demoed the FX84s many times and I liked them a lot but I am looking for a thinner waisted ski.  TIA.

post #40 of 57
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Of all these laser skis, which one resembles the feel and performance of the Kaslte FX84, but with a thinner waist? hopefully that is a reasonable question.

 

There is one Stockli dealer in Central MA and during my visit there recently they were pushing the Scale series instead of the Laser series. I demoed the FX84s many times and I liked them a lot but I am looking for a thinner waisted ski.  TIA.

 

I would say the Scale as well.  It's better than the FX however.  More life, more fun on groomers; more energy, just as good in bumps and junk.  

post #41 of 57

Have they really discontinued these skis? Is there anything solid on this? 

 

I just got a pair recently... 

post #42 of 57
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Originally Posted by Paul Lutes View Post
 

Discontinued?!?!?  Hopefully just renamed i.e. AR -> AX.  Otherwise, if truly discontinued, Stockli failed to push/advertise  a ski that would seem to be a wonderful blend of damp + lively that is very hard to find.

 

Color me disappointed.



It was their best selling ski the past 2 years!

post #43 of 57
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It was their best selling ski the past 2 years!


I can't find anything say it was discontinued.. And if its their best seller.. Why in the world would they do that?

post #44 of 57

That's what I was told that the dealer was told by the rep, but please don't take my word for it.  I'm waiting to hear more from someone closer to the industry.

post #45 of 57
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That's what I was told that the dealer was told by the rep, but please don't take my word for it.  I'm waiting to hear more from someone closer to the industry.

 

Are you sure they didn't mean the AR? As in AR is gone and AX is its replacement? 

post #46 of 57
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I can't find anything say it was discontinued.. And if its their best seller.. Why in the world would they do that?

 

Hey, Volkl didn't hesitate to kill the Explosiv …...

Jes' sayin'!!

 

I agree though, the logic escapes me. I've been burned before though, as I said, so I'm stocking up.  

post #47 of 57
So I am editing this post to read differently. There have been so many varying opinions on the AX performance, I'm curious if anyone knows or knew (if it was a demo) what the tune was. Also, I'm curious on binding configurations. Does one configuration work better with this ski than another?

Thanks
Edited by nikonfme - 3/3/16 at 9:45am
post #48 of 57

The latest from inside the industry: (1) The Laser AX is neither being discontinued nor renamed. It's been tweaked slightly with a "serpentine cut" in the shovel area to make turn initiation 'smoother".  (2) The natives are restless - the Stockli capo for USA, "they" say, has not been doing a good job marketing the brand.

post #49 of 57
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The latest from inside the industry: (1) The Laser AX is neither being discontinued nor renamed. It's been tweaked slightly with a "serpentine cut" in the shovel area to make turn initiation 'smoother".  (2) The natives are restless - the Stockli capo for USA, "they" say, has not been doing a good job marketing the brand.

The foregoing being entirely heresy - just repeating what's been heard. May or may not be accurate. etc, etc, etc.

post #50 of 57

now that REALLY clears things up! ;)

post #51 of 57
Well, Paul Lutes, we shall wait and see about the former, and you can consult your own marketing gurus about the latter.
post #52 of 57
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Originally Posted by oboe View Post
 

The latest from inside the industry: (1) The Laser AX is neither being discontinued nor renamed. It's been tweaked slightly with a "serpentine cut" in the shovel area to make turn initiation 'smoother".  (2) The natives are restless - the Stockli capo for USA, "they" say, has not been doing a good job marketing the brand.


If you go to one of their websites, it is already displaying the 2016/2017 AX.

post #53 of 57
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If you go to one of their websites, it is already displaying the 2016/2017 AX.

 

The 2017 is updated, yes, but it is a relatively small change.  It skis a bit better at slow speeds, and is the same at higher speeds, as the "turtleshell" stiffens when the ski is bent up at speed, but is flexing at slower speeds.  Still an amazing ski.  The current model is selling through well, we are out and I just reordered. 

post #54 of 57
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The 2017 is updated, yes, but it is a relatively small change.  It skis a bit better at slow speeds, and is the same at higher speeds, as the "turtleshell" stiffens when the ski is bent up at speed, but is flexing at slower speeds.  Still an amazing ski.  The current model is selling through well, we are out and I just reordered. 

dawg, what in particular does it do better at slow speeds?

post #55 of 57
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dawg, what in particular does it do better at slow speeds?

The titanium insert at the tip is cut out to flex laterally at slow speeds. It will feel more buttery at the tip, engage smoother at slow speeds with a bit more flex, and will be even less hooky and on/off than the current model (which is already amongst the best in the current crop of skis on the market)

post #56 of 57

 . . . and still have the same edge on hard conditions? One of the things I liked so much about the one I demoed was that it felt so secure and quiet no matter what it was on. I swear, I could have skied it on gravel and it would feel smooth and secure. Same with the change?

post #57 of 57
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 . . . and still have the same edge on hard conditions? One of the things I liked so much about the one I demoed was that it felt so secure and quiet no matter what it was on. I swear, I could have skied it on gravel and it would feel smooth and secure. Same with the change?



Yes, just as much edge power, if not more.  The milling has changed slightly too.  The ski is a little better all around! 

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