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White pass turns and one legged skiing.

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And just because I had the guy to try to catch some video I wanted to see what my Whitepass turns looked like as well as what my one legged slow shmeared turns looked like.

 

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Nice move around dad+kid.  The White Pass one looks a lot like 1-legged and less like what I was shown as White Pass turns, but I think there's a lot of variety on what people understand as WP turns and I'm not privy to the Mahres' original!  WP one definitely shows great balance + control.

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If only I was reading at this site a while back I would have seen that what was shown to me as WP is actually Up and Over.  In any case you look balanced and controlled, especially as shown by the move around the father + child.  Sorry for mucking things up.

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If only I was reading at this site a while back I would have seen that what was shown to me as WP is actually Up and Over.  In any case you look balanced and controlled, especially as shown by the move around the father + child.  Sorry for mucking things up.

No Worries... Questions and comments like this help with everyone's understanding and helps keep us all on the same page.. (instructors and how we communicate)

 

Here's an old discussion on the difference between "White Pass turns" and the "Up and Over" drill.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/123064/the-difference-between-a-white-pass-turn-and-up-and-over

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I like to work on White in more of a medium radius turn, or more specifically a turn thats takes me more across the hill, to really get the feeling of rolling onto the little toe at transition. (i.e. more of a downhill movement of the mass vs lateral)  

 

 

One legged looks smooth and consistent and controlled. (fwiw, your poles seem quite long)

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I like to work on White in more of a medium radius turn, or more specifically a turn thats takes me more across the hill, to really get the feeling of rolling onto the little toe at transition. (i.e. more of a downhill movement of the mass vs lateral)  


One legged looks smooth and consistent and controlled. (fwiw, your poles seem quite long)

Thank you for the feedback. I like to practice them for myself as you do. Across the hill rounder turns. I really wanted to see how they look the way I might introduce them to a student for the first time.. Consider they may be uncomfortable on one ski already. I would introduce it on a gentle slope. The move from BTE to LTE would not need to be very drastic. Just enough to get that "uh oh" feeling and be able to put the foot down for comfort.

Re poles. I have gotten feed back both ways. When skiing with shorter poles some people told me too short. Others have told me these are too long. I like the length currently because I can manage them OK and they remind me to stand taller (where I need to be) when i get to "compact".

I know those north of the border like that compact style. I find that I am a stronger skier in the taller stance.
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Get the book "No Hill Too Fast" by the Mahres from amazon for next to nothing (except shipping).  

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Get the book "No Hill Too Fast" by the Mahres from amazon for next to nothing (except shipping).  
Thanks for the reference but

Sorry, not sure how this contributes to the conversation.
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Thank you for the feedback. I like to practice them for myself as you do. Across the hill rounder turns. I really wanted to see how they look the way I might introduce them to a student for the first time.. Consider they may be uncomfortable on one ski already. I would introduce it on a gentle slope. The move from BTE to LTE would not need to be very drastic. Just enough to get that "uh oh" feeling and be able to put the foot down for comfort.
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I recently did a level III prep and this very question cane up. Someone suggested gentler terrain but the examiner was in the camp that this was a level III skill and wouldn't do them in a level II / with a lesser student (our group was a mix of level I working for 2 and level 2 aiming for three, so that distinction was relevant)

I've found I really like them!
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Get the book "No Hill Too Fast" by the Mahres from amazon for next to nothing (except shipping).  
Thanks for the reference but

Sorry, not sure how this contributes to the conversation.

 

There are a few threads around that debates what exactly is a White Pass turn. I think crudmaster is saying let hear it from the horse’s mouth. Another good reference for the WP turn is an ancient VHS tape – Ski the Mahre way (1986). I have the tape up in VT. Will have to find a player.  

 

BTW, nice skiing

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I recently did a level III prep and this very question cane up. Someone suggested gentler terrain but the examiner was in the camp that this was a level III skill and wouldn't do them in a level II / with a lesser student (our group was a mix of level I working for 2 and level 2 aiming for three, so that distinction was relevant)

I've found I really like them!

Thanks for the clarification. Agreed at L3 we would do these more dynamically on steeper terrain. I'll have to see if I can get some video of myself doing these with that focus.
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There are a few threads around that debates what exactly is a White Pass turn. I think crudmaster is saying let hear it from the horse’s mouth. Another good reference for the WP turn is an ancient VHS tape – Ski the Mahre way (1986). I have the tape up in VT. Will have to find a player.  

BTW, nice skiing
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Ahh. Got it.

From The Mahre twins in an interview for ski mag. http://tinyurl.com/m774572


Thanks for the complement ("nice skiing")
It's a work in progress
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