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Terrain at Summit County CO resorts - many traveses?

post #1 of 23
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Do the major CO "family" resorts have many/any of the kind of high-commitment traverses common at AltaBird?  Haven't skied CO in 25 years, just can't recall and my sking was less capable anyway.  I'm talking about traverses like Cirque Traverse at Snowbird or High Traverse at Alta leading to otherwise inaccessible terrain (gullies, bowls, etc) with no retreat.  Another example would be the short, narrow traverses dropping into into steep stuff like the Piney Glade or Spiney Chutes off the Supreme chair at Alta.   Of particular interest are what I'd describe as the 'family/intermediate' resorts like Copper, Keystone, Breck, Winter Park, Vail, Steamboat etc.  Comments welcome, thanks.

post #2 of 23
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Do the major CO "family" resorts have many/any of the kind of high-commitment traverses common at AltaBird?  Haven't skied CO in 25 years, just can't recall and my sking was less capable anyway.  I'm talking about traverses like Cirque Traverse at Snowbird or High Traverse at Alta leading to otherwise inaccessible terrain (gullies, bowls, etc) with no retreat.  Another example would be the short, narrow traverses dropping into into steep stuff like the Piney Glade or Spiney Chutes off the Supreme chair at Alta.   Of particular interest are what I'd describe as the 'family/intermediate' resorts like Copper, Keystone, Breck, Winter Park, Vail, Steamboat etc.  Comments welcome, thanks.

If you are on skis all the mtns you mention are very manageable.  There are traverses, but often they are optional, just a choice you make to get to more remote and/or gnarly lines and therefore not often used by intermediates.  I guess the same could be said about some of those Utah examples you cited.  Wouldn't let the traverse issue scare you aware.  General conditions are better in CO than UT right now.

post #3 of 23
As Jamesj alluded to, there is a ton of terrain at the CO resorts that will fit your need of avoiding overly demanding terrain. While they all have areas of challenge if you seek them out, you will often hear Vail, Breck, Keystone, and Copper refered to as "intermediate" resorts.
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At Breck you would have to pass double black diamond signs to get yourself into anything with no easy out. Respect the signs and you will be fine.

post #5 of 23
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LOL, I should have been clearer about the question behind the question.  It isn't about me avoiding that terrain, my skiing is at AltaBird and that's what I ski. 

 

I've got some EpicPass friends who ski all those places in CO.   These guys think quite highly of their skills but they're advanced, not expert by any means - mostly high speed groomer carvers who venture into the bowls if snow is good. 

 

A major AltaBird trip is in the works next year and they're psyched to do all the well known 'hard stuff.'  These guys don't really know what they don't know.  I'm pondering the question of how much of a shock that is likely to be.  One way to frame the question is whether an advanced skier at the EpicPass places has a reasonable likelihood of getting spanked by something like Cirque Traverse etc. and spanked again on the terrain that it serves.  There's also the related question of commitment.  Many resorts are pretty lacking in commiting, no-retreat terrain.  AltaBird has tons of commiting, no-retreat terrain.  Where do EpicPass CO resorts fall?

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Funny. I thought I recognized you as capable. I was assuming that you were taking a group of lesser mortals to CO and wanted the low down.

 

If they don't comfortably ski Breck's Southside, Windows, Doors, Needles eye, Lake Chutes, and Peak 6 Hike To then they will be PLENTY challenged with you. Ability to ski anywhere at A-Basin and some parts of Beaver Creek would also qualify them. If they can't say they are comfortable in that terrain then I think you have your answer.

post #7 of 23
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Funny. I thought I recognized you as capable. I was assuming that you were taking a group of lesser mortals to CO and wanted the low down.

 

If they don't comfortably ski Breck's Southside, Windows, Doors, Needles eye, Lake Chutes, and Peak 6 Hike To then they will be PLENTY challenged with you. Ability to ski anywhere at A-Basin and some parts of Beaver Creek would also qualify them. If they can't say they are comfortable in that terrain then I think you have your answer.

Awesome, thanks, exactly the kind of info I was hoping for.  I just looked at some of it on YouTube.  The guys in the vids are struggling big time.  It's hard to tell if that's cause terrain is so tight or if they aren't up to it.  I'm thinking the latter. 

 

The guys in my group don't do A-Basin.  I doubt they do anything like the above either if the videos are representative.

post #8 of 23

I wouldn't underestimate your buddies.  There is some very challenging terrain at the CO family resorts.  Besides I'm sure you can test them on more forgiving standard black diamond terrain such as Silver Fox, STH, Bookends, or  High Rustler, Eagles Nest, Catherines, etc. before your take them to something approaching a no fall zone.

post #9 of 23

If they are mainly groom zoom type, Id underestimate them at Altabird :D STH would eat them for breakfast as would some of the steeper tighter lines in Catherines. Shoot, just navigating the cirque traverse right now aint easy let alone dropping in on either side!!!

Sounds to me like Mineral, little cloud, and Ballroom would be about right and then take it from there. Unless you want to get a rise out of your old buds and show'em what real skiing is all about. :devil:

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If they are mainly groom zoom type, Id underestimate them at Altabird :D STH would eat them for breakfast as would some of the steeper tighter lines in Catherines. Shoot, just navigating the cirque traverse right now aint easy let alone dropping in on either side!!!

Sounds to me like Mineral, little cloud, and Ballroom would be about right and then take it from there. Unless you want to get a rise out of your old buds and show'em what real skiing is all about. :devil:

Haha, that occurred to me.  I don't actually know them, they're friends of a friend that I ski with occassionally.  He's a high-speed groomer carver guy who avoids anything that forces linked turns.  Still, he thinks he's tough and I'm guessing the other guys do too.  Want to anticipate and pre-manage expectations in advance to avoid this kind of scenario. My groomer zoomer friend wouldn't hesitate to fall into this trap with even the slightest encouragement ("TMRS" = transient moronic reasoning syndrome).

post #11 of 23
Take'm and let Ullr sort'em out. smile.gif
post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by kletter1mann View Post

I've got some EpicPass friends who ski all those places in CO.   These guys think quite highly of their skills but they're advanced, not expert by any means - mostly high speed groomer carvers who venture into the bowls if snow is good. 

So you know what they ski here ^^^^
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A major AltaBird trip is in the works next year and they're psyched to do all the well known 'hard stuff.'  These guys don't really know what they don't know.  I'm pondering the question of how much of a shock that is likely to be.

And therefore you can answer this question. It has nothing to do with "CO family resorts" and everything to do with what they ski. Are you going to take high speed groomer carvers who venture into bowls into high consequence terrain without informing them? That sounds like taking L7 skills (no matter how strong) into L9 terrain without retreat options. I would hope people don't do that at their home resorts.
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So you know what they ski here ^^^^
And therefore you can answer this question. It has nothing to do with "CO family resorts" and everything to do with what they ski. Are you going to take high speed groomer carvers who venture into bowls into high consequence terrain without informing them? That sounds like taking L7 skills (no matter how strong) into L9 terrain without retreat options. I would hope people don't do that at their home resorts.

Actually, no.  It's second hand info.  I know where they ski but not what.

post #14 of 23

On one of my ski trips, a guy I knew socially claimed he can ski anything, including expert runs. I never skiied with him before but I took his word and attempted to take him to an expert run, but even before reaching the actual fun part, he basically had to bail out (this was Kirkwood). In retrospect, I should have tested him gradually and see how he deals with steeps and terrains before taking him to that run. At least in that case there was a bail-out option.

 

Vail doesn't have anything that's comparable to the terrains off those traverses at Alta/Snowbird. But some of their cornices can be decent sized - Lover's Leap, or Prima Cornice - so if they can ski comfortably those cornices, especially the beginning, I'd say they are ready to try Cirque at Snowbird or steep parts of Mineral Basin, or open runs off high traverse at Alta. Narrow chutes are yet another matter - as it has psychological fear factor as well as technical skills factor (e.g. can the person do a kick turn or some such), and I think the best way to find out is to have them try short not-too-steep-but-decently-steep narrow chute first - Alta seems to have plenty - before taking them to any real deal.

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Actually, no.  It's second hand info.  I know where they ski but not what.

I quoted you saying that they ski high speed groomers and venture into the bowls in good conditions. It seems a bit odd for experts to be categorized that way on any hand.

i am sure plenty of people have Epic Passes and ski AltaBird. That is nowhere near enough data in terms of comparing resorts. I think you are asking the wrong people smile.gif.
post #16 of 23

He said "Advanced but definitely not expert".

post #17 of 23
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He said "Advanced but definitely not expert".

Seems like plenty of information to me to challenge an expert terrain AltaBird trip itinery to me.

But this thread is a thinly veiled point that AltaBird terrain is superior to EpicCO terrain. The OP states the capablity of the skiers in question, refers to CO resorts as "family/intermediate", and then asks if those skiers would get spanked on the "tons" of no-exit expert terrain at Alta.

Well, no shit. Hopefully safety will be taken far more seriously than claiming the arms length innocence of second hand information. Especially since:
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these guys really don't know what they don't know

Edited by NayBreak - 3/7/15 at 9:11pm
post #18 of 23
Really this thread is just OP beating his chest about what a great skier he is. If he deigned to come ski our family mountains he'd immediately be the best skier on the hill.
post #19 of 23
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Really this thread is just OP beating his chest about what a great skier he is. If he deigned to come ski our family mountains he'd immediately be the best skier on the hill.

 

The best skier on the hill prize is automatically awarded to me when I lower myself to ski Summit. I'm a Wolf Creek skier after all, have set foot on Silverton, and just got back from skiing (gasp) Taos.

 

If this guy wants the crown he's gonna have to fight for it.

 

Now what is a good way to convey how badass I am? Oh wait, it is already in my sig- no need to come up with a thread. Cheers.

post #20 of 23
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The best skier on the hill prize is automatically awarded to me when I lower myself to ski Summit. I'm a Wolf Creek skier after all, have set foot on Silverton, and just got back from skiing (gasp) Taos.

If this guy wants the crown he's gonna have to fight for it.

Now what is a good way to convey how badass I am? Oh wait, it is already in my sig- no need to come up with a thread. Cheers.

I get your sarcasm, but I love these threads where folks trumpet their abilities.

I'm no great skier by any stretch but in the last several years I've coached hundreds of future college players in my sports and was one myself, so I've been around a lot of high level athletes. The really good ones have a common thread in that they never have to tell you how great they are as they know they can show you. Just saying.
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The best skier on the hill prize is automatically awarded to me when I lower myself to ski Summit. I'm a Wolf Creek skier after all, have set foot on Silverton, and just got back from skiing (gasp) Taos.

 

If this guy wants the crown he's gonna have to fight for it.

 

Now what is a good way to convey how badass I am? Oh wait, it is already in my sig- no need to come up with a thread. Cheers.

 

Yeah, but when's the last time you showcased your abilities at Stowe?

 

:D  I occasionally deem Summit County worthy of my presence as well (assuming that A-Basin is in Summit County...).  Duke this out over Mother's Day?

 

:jedi:

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Yeah, but when's the last time you showcased your abilities at Stowe?

 

 

Come on dude, I said I was the best skier in Summit. I didn't say I was some sort of gnar-core Jesus.

post #23 of 23

It depends a lot on their personalities.  I know people who are advanced skiers who I think would freak out on Alta's high traverse and would have a tough time on ungroomed terrain.  I know some skiers who are advanced intermediates who don't freak out at anything and handle all kinds of terrain and snow.  They might take a while to get down, and they might not look great getting down, but they are having fun challenging themselves and, so long as it is not true "no fall terrain", they are not a danger to themselves or others.

 

BTW, I find that self proclaimed "expert" groomer skiers often fall apart off piste.  


Edited by crank - 3/10/15 at 10:44am
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