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My base edges are grey instead of black - different daily wax? more frequent hot wax? needs a tune?

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 

I switched to shaped skis last year after skiing straight skis forever, and have noticed that after skiing the edge of my bases - say 1/2" to 1" on each side looks grey instead of black like the rest of the base. Is this somewhat normal because with the shaped skis I'm truly carving more? Or is this a sign that my daily wax isn't durable enough or that I need a full hot wax more frequently? Or is it an indication that I need a full base tune?

 

I've been using Swix F4 paste wax on my skis for 20+ years in between hot waxes. While I'm still having good results - nice, fast glide is there something more durable I should consider?

 

I typically ski 6-10 days a season at most due to living in MN, 90 miles to closest 250' vert hill, kids schedules, etc. so haven't invested in my own tuning/hot waxing equipment. I typically get a full tune/hot wax once a year and then apply a fresh coat of paste each time I ski.

 

While I'm happy with the speed of the paste wax I'm currently using, I want to make sure I'm properly protecting my bases as well. So what do you recommend?

post #2 of 22

Has the weather been super cold in your area this winter?  Rub on waxes don't protect much against the hard dry snow crystals you typically are on when it's in the single digits and below.

post #3 of 22
Thread Starter 

No, actually most of my ski days this year have been above average in temp, probably 25 degrees or above air temp.

post #4 of 22

Do a search (on EpicSki) for "base burn".  I'm sure you'll find the answer to your problem and how to fix/avoid it (i.e. oxidized bases near the edges due to insufficient wax)

post #5 of 22
Scrape it with a finger nail. Leave a line? Not to worry. It's just wax.
post #6 of 22
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Originally Posted by jdleuck View Post
 

Do a search (on EpicSki) for "base burn".  I'm sure you'll find the answer to your problem and how to fix/avoid it (i.e. oxidized bases near the edges due to insufficient wax)

That's what it sounds like to me....

post #7 of 22
Brass brush it As Sib said it may be wax.
post #8 of 22
Thread Starter 

So as it turns out it looks like this was just wax wearing abnormally. I scraped it with my fingernail and it left a line on the ski and a bit of wax on my nail. For now I just scrubbed/buffed them with a cloth real good and then put a fresh coat of F4 paste on. It got me through what is likely my last ski day on Saturday. A week of 50s and 60s will likely mean most MN ski hills will be wrapping things up soon.

 

Back to part 2 of my original post however:

 

Is Swix f4 paste wax a good daily-use wax or is there something better/more durable I should look into?

post #9 of 22
You might as well ask what the best ski is..
post #10 of 22
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Originally Posted by Eagle93 View Post

So as it turns out it looks like this was just wax wearing abnormally. I scraped it with my fingernail and it left a line on the ski and a bit of wax on my nail. For now I just scrubbed/buffed them with a cloth real good and then put a fresh coat of F4 paste on. It got me through what is likely my last ski day on Saturday. A week of 50s and 60s will likely mean most MN ski hills will be wrapping things up soon.



 



Back to part 2 of my original post however:



 



Is Swix f4 paste wax a good daily-use wax or is there something better/more durable I should look into?


 



Everyone has their wax preference on here. The hardcore folks use condition specific waxes. I use Hertel Hot Sauce, it is cheap and reviewed by most folks as a good everyday wax for most conditions.
post #11 of 22
I use Racewax hydrocarbon, it's cheap and seems to work just fine. Previously had used Swix or Toko hydrocarbon. Liked Racewax better except for super cold (negative numbers) conditions, when I use Swix CH4.
post #12 of 22

My base edges are grey instead of black - different daily wax? more frequent ...

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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

I use Racewax hydrocarbon, it's cheap and seems to work just fine. Previously had used Swix or Toko hydrocarbon. Liked Racewax better except for super cold (negative numbers) conditions, when I use Swix CH4.

Racewax all-temp is good to 15 deg F.


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post #13 of 22

I don't believe paste wax holds up as well as a good hot wax.

 

I use Dominator Zoom and Graphite Zoom ironed, scraped and hand brushed.

 

When it's really cold I use Toko LF Blue

When it's really warm I use Toko LF Yellow

 

 

I do use Momentium paste wax when I don't have time to hot wax.  It works fine and holds up for at least a full day, but I do have a good base of wax on the skis from all the hot waxing.  If all I was using was a paste wax I'd want to wax every 1-2 days at the most. Hot wax I'll use about 3 days at most.

 

I also use Dominator Renew to clean the bases.

post #14 of 22

As to the grey, a couple of years ago I was so concerned that I'd burned the edges of my bases on my skis as they always looked grey, except right after waxing.

 

It turned out it was just wax.  Now before hot waxing I use a brass brush which gets all to the old wax out and refreshes the structure.  After doing that the grey is gone.

post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

I use Racewax hydrocarbon, it's cheap and seems to work just fine. Previously had used Swix or Toko hydrocarbon. Liked Racewax better except for super cold (negative numbers) conditions, when I use Swix CH4.

Racewax all-temp is good to 15 deg F.


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I use red and green, not all temp. The green isn't as hard as I need for the cold stuff (Ch4 is 14 F to -25 F). It's just as easy to wax with the stuff geared to tomorrow's conditions as it is to wax with all temp, which is really "most temp". (Like "all mountain" skis.) I'll mix it if I'm trying to straddle a bit more.
post #16 of 22

I also get the grey edges but it is from carving and really covering ground each day.I "crayon on"a light coat of Zupr wax and then buff it in with a Ray's Way tube and cloth every morning while on a trip. My skis come back looking better than most skis look starting a trip. Not much effort and great results. I do a full iron in hot waxing between trips along with sharpening the edges.

post #17 of 22
I've seen some recommend doing the edges with Swix ch3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ6lZRM2jRM


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post #18 of 22

That's exactly what I do when our man made snow gets really abrasive.  It is right out of the Swix manual.  Getting the stuff off is near impossible.

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post #20 of 22
Hmmm. I did that for a while, was still getting grey edges, but maybe the reason it's not scraping off is because it's CH4? Never knew there was a 3. Adding to list for the next Racewax sale.
post #21 of 22
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

Hmmm. I did that for a while, was still getting grey edges, but maybe the reason it's not scraping off is because it's CH4? Never knew there was a 3. Adding to list for the next Racewax sale.

The only time I was getting the grey edges was before I bought equipment to wax, where I was stingy on paying for waxing, on East Coast ice.

 

the colder the wax operating range, the harder the wax.  So, if you're having issues with scraping CH4, you're going to have issues with CH3.  Maybe check your scraper sharpness.

post #22 of 22
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

Scrape it with a finger nail. Leave a line? Not to worry. It's just wax.

Was referring to this, along with some comments in the other gray edges thread. Have some gray edges that are not leaving a line, showing up after one day of skiing, which is not normal here. Wasn't sure if it was conditions this year or a possibly exuded base. But maybe it's just that I was crayoning on CH4 earlier in the season. Normally it takes about four days for gray edges and it's always been wax. This year on these new skis, it's one day and it doesn't always mark. Nor does it always disappear entirely with brushing, although it improves. The GLIDE is fine, just looks like hell.
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