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Changing cross country ski bindings

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 

Hi, 

 

First time posting here.

 

New to cross country skiing, so please excuse me if my question sounds stupid.

 

Is it possible to change your ski bindings? If it is, how hard/easy that would be?

 

I am about to get an older pair of ski that has some old bindings that I would like to update if possible. I think the old bindings are 75mm 3-pin bindings and after looking at the rei.com it would like to upgrade to New Nordic Norm (NNN) bindings.

 

PS: I am trying to get into cross country skiing and I am sure eventually I will have to buy a all new set, but until then I don't want to break the bank. 

post #2 of 16

Yes, xc bindings can be changed. It is relatively easy to do if you are handy with basic (very basic) tools and can measure accurately.

post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 

Thank you very much @Whiteroom, for the quick replay!

post #4 of 16

I am curious about a few details.

 

I have a BC-NNN binding I'd like to swap out for a Salomon SNS - XA binding. The two appear to have the same toe mounting pattern with the exception of the SNS having one additional screw centered at the front. If that holds true, is it ok to reuse the existing holes drilled for the BC-NNN binding? Also do i apply a soldering iron to the screws to heat them up and soften the glue to extract them?

 

I'm also thinking the other option would be to just drill a second set of holes a few millimeters away from the existing ones which will probably align the SNS boot with the skis center line rather then it being located behind it due to the SNS boot bar forward location. The BC-NNN boot bar is a little reset under the toes which i think allows for a more natural and easier pivot lifting for the kick and glide.

 

I haven't had much luck with BC-NNN boots. Tried just about all of them. Either they have horrible forefoot flex break points pinching inward at the Metatarsal Heads or at the cuticle base of my big toenail, or they have a heel cup that is to wide providing no support. The only BC-NNN boot i haven't  tried is the Alpina Alaska so the possibility exist of going back to a BC-NNN if the SNS doesn't work out. I'm gonna try not to think about that one now. The Salomon X-adv boot has a tighter fitting heel and seems to be pliable at the forefoot flex break point. I've read of similar boot troubles, some say not to bother with BC-NNN boots, rather use a skate-ski combi boot for the narrower full metal edged BC-XC skis.

post #5 of 16

It's really easy to change bindings. 

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Originally Posted by radi View Post

 

 PS: I am trying to get into cross country skiing and I am sure eventually I will have to buy a all new set, but until then I don't want to break the bank. 

 

  You probably should fill the old holes. 

 

 But I would find boots that fit first, before deciding on a binding system.  You can always move them to a better ski later.

 

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Originally Posted by neonorchid View Post
 

I am curious about a few details.

 

I have a BC-NNN binding I'd like to swap out for a Salomon SNS - XA binding. The two appear to have the same toe mounting pattern with the exception of the SNS having one additional screw centered at the front. If that holds true, is it ok to reuse the existing holes drilled for the BC-NNN binding? Also do i apply a soldering iron to the screws to heat them up and soften the glue to extract them?

 

I'm also thinking the other option would be to just drill a second set of holes a few millimeters away from the existing ones which will probably align the SNS boot with the skis center line rather then it being located behind it due to the SNS boot bar forward location. The BC-NNN boot bar is a little reset under the toes which i think allows for a more natural and easier pivot lifting for the kick and glide.

 

I haven't had much luck with BC-NNN boots. Tried just about all of them. Either they have horrible forefoot flex break points pinching inward at the Metatarsal Heads or at the cuticle base of my big toenail, or they have a heel cup that is to wide providing no support. The only BC-NNN boot i haven't  tried is the Alpina Alaska so the possibility exist of going back to a BC-NNN if the SNS doesn't work out. I'm gonna try not to think about that one now. The Salomon X-adv boot has a tighter fitting heel and seems to be pliable at the forefoot flex break point. I've read of similar boot troubles, some say not to bother with BC-NNN boots, rather use a skate-ski combi boot for the narrower full metal edged BC-XC skis.

 

 

I had SNS boots up till last year and vastly prefer the NNN-BC boots and systems in general.  I have Fred Flinstone feet and the Rossi's boots fit me well.

post #6 of 16
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Originally Posted by SHREDHEAD View Post
 

It's really easy to change bindings. 

 

  You probably should fill the old holes. 

 

 But I would find boots that fit first, before deciding on a binding system.  You can always move them to a better ski later.

 

 

 

I had SNS boots up till last year and vastly prefer the NNN-BC boots and systems in general.  I have Fred Flinstone feet and the Rossi's boots fit me well.

I like the set back pivot point of BC-NNN much better then that of the SNS.

 

I skied in the Rossi's last season. They have a excellent toe box shape with a break point that doesn't murder my forefoot. Only for me there is no heel hold down and my heel swims in them. I tried going down a size and still had heel lift issues. Also only in the smaller size, for whatever reason, the left boots lower part of the tongue was to tight on the top of my forefoot just above and before the metatarsals. I'd feel the tongues inner plastic reinforcement press on the top of my foot. I tried more then one pair of the smaller size, including the women's version of the same in the same mondo size and all of the left boots exhibited the anomaly.

post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by SHREDHEAD View Post

I had SNS boots up till last year and vastly prefer the NNN-BC boots and systems in general.  I have Fred Flinstone feet and the Rossi's boots fit me well.

I should add, i found the Salomon X-adv (SNS) boot has a short well padded tongue that barely overlaps the plastic lace eyelets of which top out by the foots instep articulation point. When i carpet test, lifting with a slight twist movements sometimes feel like the hard plastic eyelets are digging into the front of my medial ankle bone (malleolus) bump. I'm more then a little concerned this will be magnified in actual use, hence my reservations on switching bindings.

post #8 of 16
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SHREDHEAD View Post
 

It's really easy to change bindings. 

 

  You probably should fill the old holes. 

 

 But I would find boots that fit first, before deciding on a binding system.  You can always move them to a better ski later.

 

@SHREDHEAD what boots and bindings would you recommend to a noob like me? Any good online deals?

post #9 of 16
Sales are just starting.
Trying them on is best, if you have a local shop.
If not,
Check out ORS Cross Country Skis Direct.
post #10 of 16
Glad I stumbled across this thread. Haven't done XC in years and gave my groomed track rig away years ago when I moved, but there's been so much snow here in SE PA and I now live next to a meadow and woods, so I've been thinking about skiing out the back door. Was going to start a thread asking advice about gear to do this, looked at the ORS site on Shredhead's rec, and the first thing they have is a great video reviewing "Out the Back Door" gear. Mostly about skis, but they suggest BC NNN setup.
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by neonorchid View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SHREDHEAD View Post
 

It's really easy to change bindings. 

 

  You probably should fill the old holes. 

 

 But I would find boots that fit first, before deciding on a binding system.  You can always move them to a better ski later.

 

 

 

I had SNS boots up till last year and vastly prefer the NNN-BC boots and systems in general.  I have Fred Flinstone feet and the Rossi's boots fit me well.

I like the set back pivot point of BC-NNN much better then that of the SNS.

 

I skied in the Rossi's last season. They have a excellent toe box shape with a break point that doesn't murder my forefoot. Only for me there is no heel hold down and my heel swims in them. I tried going down a size and still had heel lift issues.

 

Have you tried an ankle bootie?

post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post
 

 

Have you tried an ankle bootie?

No, and i do have them but think the issue is less about heel cup width and more a lack of proper heel cup contouring. Ultimately i  think the use of neoprene ankle booties will only make a already wide heel cup wider as the boots foam padding breaks down. I did try socks of widely varying thickness and heel padding, yet again to no avail.

post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by SHREDHEAD View Post

I had SNS boots up till last year and vastly prefer the NNN-BC boots and systems in general.  I have Fred Flinstone feet and the Rossi's boots fit me well.

Which SNS are we talking about, the current offerings such as the SNS XA manual for the Xadv6 BC boot or the old style which had the bar sticking out about as far as a duckbill boot?

post #14 of 16
I had the old style.
post #15 of 16

I'd imagine the NNN-BC allow for a noticeably more natural stride then the old style SNS due to pivot point locations.

 

Gotta say, more often then not after walking in snow i have varying degrees of trouble clamping into at least one skis NNN-BC binding. I have both the wide platform BC Magnum manual and standard BC manual versions.

 

I've yet to use the SNS-XA binding but the clamp mechanism looks like a slightly better design with regard to snow impacting entry operation, again idk?

post #16 of 16

Can't say i have much first-hand experience with NNN-BC, tho my GF skis them and they seem okay.  She's not as aggressive or adventurous as I. The lever on the front doesn't seem quite as friendly with gloves as my SNS-BC.  

 

Switched to SNS-BC/RAID/X-ADV whatever you want to call the manual solomon backcountry binding system, and I love it.  I ski it every week backcountry, have it on a set of Rossi BC59's for track and packed and on Solomon XADV89's for backcountry touring in deep snow, and turns.  I love the full-length heel-grove, the effortless glide flex and the large 'steering wedge' at the front that allows me to drive a pretty useful tele-turn in the backcountry -- we're not talking groomed alpine runs or mountains here tho.  I'm on 3-pin cables with 2 buckle plastics for those...but really not enough good things to say about SNS-BC -except- that boot selection is poor.  If you can find a pair that work for you, grab 'em.  I'm a little worried about replacing my leathers when they burn-out.  I've heard some of the current molded boots don't hold up all that well under hard use.  

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