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post #61 of 65

Just found this, http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2016-2017-liberty-origin96 I didn't read the whole review.

 

I wonder how that tip well do when the snow gets thicker during Spring time temps ?

 

I remember the Salomon Pocket Rocket and Gun's would give up and get deflected by the spring crud here in NE.

 

My Gotama's and Shiro's drive right through that crap. The Volkl 100 eight did a wonderful job in that stuff too.

 

Just read a little further, this gives me hope for that ski,

 

The 187 cm Origin96 doesn’t give a damn if the groomers are roughed up. This ski is very stable at speed and tracks very well. I was very surprised to see how hard I could push it, and I kept expecting the ski to give up on me … but that never happened.

 

 

 

But the pictures show the snow to be powder not crud. I think a lot of skis well do well in the snow pictured. For those of us buying a ski and plan to keep it for a long time, this requires a lot of thought.

 

I'm glad the demo day we had a couple weekends back was a warm as it was and the snow was a heavy and scrapped off. If a ski handles those conditions well, it will be great on hero snow and powder.

post #62 of 65

I am about 30 lbs lighter than you and 4 inches shorter, so take this with a grain of salt.  

 

MX88s in 178 are pretty easy for me in moguls, tight trees and crowds in the shorter size. From limited time on the Brahma, I think the Brahma is slightly better in this regard but it's not a huge difference.  

 

I haven't been on Ullr's but for a 90-100ish ski that handles tight spaces well without being a total noodle, the best thing I've been on was the new Enforcer.  I took a few runs on it in slush, tight trees and bumps.  It made me want one very badly as it was basically an easier to use, somewhat more maneuverable version of an FX104 (another poster helpfully pointed out the two are quite similar, so no reason to buy both or I would be doing that right now).  It felt more energetic and playful, which sounds sort of like what you want.  I think you give up a bit versus the FX104 in ability to handle really weird snow and crud busting chops.

post #63 of 65
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I have skied the Liberty Origin 96 in a 182 cm length. I bought a pair for my son a couple of weeks ago. For myself I am buying the 187 cm length. Will pick them up in a week or so. I can report that the 182 length matches Blisters review very well. It is the most amazing ski I have used in my life. Race ski grip and carving ability, pivots like its on bearings, light as a feather (it feels like I don't have skis on), very stable at speed. I skied a double black trail, White Heat, at Sunday River 2 weeks ago and it felt like I was cheating being on this ski, it was so easy to ski on the steep pitch with fresh man made powder.

 

The only negatives I felt were I wanted a little more stability at speed, I need the  longer ski for sure. The binding was not set for my boot size, so I wasn't on the skis boot line either. I did not have the ski in really soft mashed potatoes, it was too cold for that. I skied some soft snow near the lifts, but not enough to get a good read on how the ski will react to the deep slushy stuff. The other thing that I noticed, and it was mentioned in the Blister review, was if you landed on the stiff midsection of the ski, you felt it. This ski will require a certain approach to moguls if you want to stay on the soft absorbing tip and tails of the ski. Until I get the right length under me, not able to judge that.

 

This could be a true one ski quiver for the East Coast. There is a wider version of the ski, (the Origin), but it is much softer and not the same ski. It is more of a powder and soft snow ski. It does get good reviews for its intended purpose. 

 

So the Origin 96:    carves up groomers  ++    pivots on a dime  ++   floats in mashed potatoes  ?? TBD

If it gets the third TBD, my quiver is complete.

post #64 of 65

Yeah, the Blister gear review is what steered me away from the Origin96.  At first it sounded like exactly what I was looking for (that is, a mid to high 90 ski that I can throw in a bag and most anywhere, and double as a thinner pow ski). 

 

Your review has reawakened my interest...though I'm leaning towards a good hold over design like Nordica Soul Rider,  Head venturi, Slicer.  Actually my interested has been piqued by the well-reviewed (skiessential) vOLKL REVOLT

post #65 of 65
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I wonder if there is a 85-95mm ski that can replace both the Chariots and the MX78s. It needs to pivot well for tight trees, carve well on groomers, be soft enough for a 245lb guy in moguls, and handle spring mashed potato snow. For the spring conditions I need width, at my size, probably 95-100mm (not sure if a 88mm is wide enough? my 101mm Chariots work well). To pivot well it needs some rocker or at least a light tip. It needs to be somewhat stiff, but with a med tip.for moguls. It needs to be long enough and stiff enough in the middle to edge well on groomers and hold on ice. It doesn't need to be an ice pick and it doesn't need to be much of a powder ski, I have that covered with other skis.

The MX78 falls short due to width, and the MX88 or 98 might not pivot well due to increased width, but I don't know?  

You're 245 lbs... A 182 Rossi E100 is a much more versatile tool than one might think. Other than that, sounds like you're looking for that elusive arrow that hits every target for you while blind folded. smile.gif
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