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post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 

We're an engineering group trying to improve ski bindings. We would like your input on how to fix this problem. Please answer these questions to help us verify our problem.

 

Do you ski?

Have you had your skis fall off?

Did you have a difficult time putting them back on?

How long did it take you to get them back on?

If there were easier bindings to get into, would you be interested in them?

What are some things you like or dislike about your ski bindings now?

What are things you would like to see improved on your ski bindings?

Are you an avid skier? or a novice skier?

 

If you have any other comments please include them below. We would like to hear any information we can about this subject.

 

Thank you. 

post #2 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by PT and J View Post
 

We're an engineering group trying to improve ski bindings. We would like your input on how to fix this problem. Please answer these questions to help us verify our problem.

 

Do you ski?

Have you had your skis fall off?

Did you have a difficult time putting them back on?

How long did it take you to get them back on?

If there were easier bindings to get into, would you be interested in them?

What are some things you like or dislike about your ski bindings now?

What are things you would like to see improved on your ski bindings?

Are you an avid skier? or a novice skier?

 

If you have any other comments please include them below. We would like to hear any information we can about this subject.

 

Thank you. 


I'm a very experienced engineer who has been skiing for over 50 years.

The questions above are so vague I can't see how they lead you in  any useful direction  at all.

This sounds like some marketing guy trolling for a class project.

I doubt if you have ever skied or even looked hard at the variety of bindings available or the decades of development that has gone into them.

Check out the story of Knee Bindings to get a feel of how difficult it is to improve on current offerings.

Now, if you could come up with a system that is immune to pre release without having to go +2 or more on the DIN scale I might be interested.

I suspect that would require an anal pressure sensor coupled to a voice recognition engine that can interpret subvocal comments like "OH SHIT" or "FMITA."

post #3 of 22

mod note: after a lot of work, this "survey" thread has been approved by the mod team.

post #4 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by PT and J View Post

We're an engineering group trying to improve ski bindings. We would like your input on how to fix this problem. Please answer these questions to help us verify our problem.



 



Do you ski?



Have you had your skis fall off?



Did you have a difficult time putting them back on?



How long did it take you to get them back on?



If there were easier bindings to get into, would you be interested in them?



What are some things you like or dislike about your ski bindings now?



What are things you would like to see improved on your ski bindings?



Are you an avid skier? or a novice skier?



 



If you have any other comments please include them below. We would like to hear any information we can about this subject.



 



Thank you. 


 



Avid skier, currently at 39 day's so far this season, season pass holder for 19 years. 60y/o.

After having Marker bindings for many years, my new skis have the Knee Binding. They are a bit heavy but I like the thought that they may protect my ACL's.

I have pre-released in Marker's but since selecting a type 3+ skier, I have not had a pre-release again. Din.9.5 It was more of a weight gain issue and skier type then a binding issue.

I have four pair of skis with Marker's. One is a Jester Schizo, one Duke's, two with the system, AC30's, AC40's. I can't say I've had trouble stepping into either.


I have watched a ski buddy have a hard time getting into his Marker Griffons from time to time, not all the time.

I would like to see less weight in the binding.
post #5 of 22
Thread Starter 

Thank you so much for the information :) 

post #6 of 22

Do you ski? Yes

 

Have you had your skis fall off? Duh!

 

Did you have a difficult time putting them back on? Not usually. Once, when the binding was broken. Occasionally in very deep powder or when the boot bottom is caked with snow, 

 

How long did it take you to get them back on?  Usually a few seconds. Up to a minute if snow is frozen to the boot bottom. Occasionally up to 15 minutes if the ski was lost in deep powder. 90 minutes when I had to get a replacement heel piece from the ski shop.

 

If there were easier bindings to get into, would you be interested in them? No

 

What are some things you like or dislike about your ski bindings now? I dislike it when they prerelease (I'm required to ski them at a DIN setting that is inappropriate for aggressive skiing).

 

What are things you would like to see improved on your ski bindings? I miss safety straps!

 

Are you an avid skier? or a novice skier? Avid.

post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by TheRusty View Post

 

What are things you would like to see improved on your ski bindings? I miss safety straps!

 

 

 

LOL, you miss safety straps?  I always hated those things as soon as you fell skis would be flailing about and they would always hit you.  Talk about getting tons of bruises when starting to ski.  Of course if you are powder skiing those would make sense.

 

I never had a binding prerelease on me recently.  Usually I set them to the point where I can start to move the binding when turn my knee but not to the point where I can pop them off.  When I was younger once I had a binding prerelease at the worst possible moment.  Hit a bunch of huge berms at the bottom of a run going onto a trail.  They popped right off and I went over the edge of the trail.  Very scary moment and so lucky I missed all the trees.

 

Agree 100% with the rest of what people are stating. 

 

Avid skier, instructor, nastar racer.

 

Bindings are not difficult to get into just have to make sure there is no snow on your boots.  The more difficult part is getting back out of them when instructing and you don't have ski poles.


Edited by utahsaint - 3/4/15 at 2:11pm
post #8 of 22

I'm an avid skier, although I don't get out as much as I would like.. I have no issue with current bindings.  Maybe because I haven't had an issue with them. 

 

They're simple to use, easily adjusted and generally last the life of the ski if not longer.

 

As a skier I'd much prefer someone spend some time engineering a better snowboard binding so I don't have to wait for my friends on boards, and to reduce the masses at the top of the hills waiting to strap in that I need to dodge on a consistent basis.

post #9 of 22

Do you ski?

yes

 

Have you had your skis fall off?

yes

 

Did you have a difficult time putting them back on?

no

 

How long did it take you to get them back on?

5-10seconds

 

If there were easier bindings to get into, would you be interested in them?

maybe

 

What are some things you like or dislike about your ski bindings now?

having to clean the bottom of my boots to click in

 

What are things you would like to see improved on your ski bindings?

not sure

 

Are you an avid skier? or a novice skier?

avid

post #10 of 22
Answered this once before, don't know where it went.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PT and J View Post

We're an engineering group trying to improve ski bindings. We would like your input on how to fix this problem. Please answer these questions to help us verify our problem.

Do you ski?. Yes
Have you had your skis fall off? yes
Did you have a difficult time putting them back on?. No
How long did it take you to get them back on? less time than it took me to stand up.
If there were easier bindings to get into, would you be interested in them?. Least of my worries.
What are some things you like or dislike about your ski bindings now?. One pair of bindings makes a lot of noise
What are things you would like to see improved on your ski bindings?. Sturdier
Are you an avid skier? or a novice skier? avid, 70 days a year

If you have any other comments please include them below. We would like to hear any information we can about this subject.

Thank you. 
post #11 of 22
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Originally Posted by PT and J View Post
 

We're an engineering group trying to improve ski bindings. We would like your input on how to fix this problem. Please answer these questions to help us verify our problem.

 

Do you ski? - Yes

Have you had your skis fall off? - Yes, usually preceded by something dramatic

Did you have a difficult time putting them back on? - Not if I can still walk

How long did it take you to get them back on? - Couple seconds

If there were easier bindings to get into, would you be interested in them? - More worried about retention than soft entry

What are some things you like or dislike about your ski bindings now? - The anti friction pads wear too easily

What are things you would like to see improved on your ski bindings? - Little deeper pocket on the pole release would be nice

Are you an avid skier? or a novice skier? - Avid skier, Nastar/beer league racer

 

If you have any other comments please include them below. We would like to hear any information we can about this subject.

 

Thank you. 

post #12 of 22

Avid skier, blah, blah, blah.

 

I can see getting back into bindings being an issue.  The Look PX12 takes a fair amount of force to get in and out of.  In steep, soft conditions, that can be an issue.  I'd certainly like them more if that one thing could be changed without affecting others.

 

What I like about the PX12 is that they feel solid and have good retention/elasticity.

 

Also using the PX12 as a reference, it seems a bit heavy.  Not sure if it could be made lighter without compromise.

 

The biggest improvement I'd like to see in bindings is to make them more intelligent.  With my DIN set to my happy medium (7), I still have some pre-releases and sometimes tweak my knee because of a non-release.  I understand that bindings are designed to prevent broken bones.  It would be great to get beyond that to soft tissue injuries.  Rick Howell is moving in this direction, it seems.

 

I agree the anti-friction devices seem to be a weak link on many bindings.  Another issue is the hassle involved in getting the correct brake width.  Finally, all bindings should have a good point of attachment for powder cords.

post #13 of 22

Thanks for deleting my post.....................................................................

Others too.

Dats not Pono without an explanation.

Could it be that this newbie PT&J is paying for this survey?

Is this the hidden hand of the corporate masters?

Stay tuned.


Edited by dakine - 3/4/15 at 4:02pm
post #14 of 22

Damn, they even deleted the positive feed back I got for that one!

post #15 of 22
This is probably due more to the fact that the thread was posted in multiple forums and we responded elsewhere.
post #16 of 22

Explanation due.

We do provide a lot of free content.

I saw your post and it was as irreverent as mine.

About 20 very experienced folks really make Epic work.

That could change.....

post #17 of 22
These questions are so vague and high level that I'm not sure what the objective is.

There's no distinction between Alpine and AT bindings, yet these bindings are vastly different.

And so on.

I can't take it seriously.
post #18 of 22

mod note: We don't usually discuss moderation actions in public. We do have a policy requiring prior approval for surveys. The OP originally posted a link to a survey without permission and the link was non-functional. The OP subsequently cross posted many posts across several forums that were a substitute for the survey. I'm sorry if some responses were lost in the clean up. Hopefully, conspiracy theories are more entertaining than me trying to be lenient on some kids working on a school project. I've found Dakine's post that was collateral damage from the cleanup and restored it above in this thread (shows up as post #2). 

post #19 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by PT and J View Post
 

We're an engineering group trying to improve ski bindings. We would like your input on how to fix this problem. Please answer these questions to help us verify our problem.

 

Do you ski?

Yes.

Have you had your skis fall off?

Yes.

Did you have a difficult time putting them back on?

No.

How long did it take you to get them back on?

Less time than it takes to find them sometimes.

If there were easier bindings to get into, would you be interested in them?

No.

What are some things you like or dislike about your ski bindings now?

They don't make my preferred binding anymore.  So I hoard.

What are things you would like to see improved on your ski bindings?

Make them more blaaaaaack.

Are you an avid skier? or a novice skier?

I'm the best skier on the mountain.

 

If you have any other comments please include them below. We would like to hear any information we can about this subject.

 

Thank you. 

post #20 of 22

How about a invisible binding that uses super-magnets and has built-in automatic powder cord?

post #21 of 22
Survey response: I'm quite happy with the safety and utility of modern bindings. Two things I'd like to see are 1) lighter weight and 2) adjustable heel and toe placement (like lightweight demo bindings). Not only am I the best skier on the mountain but I also enjoy experimenting on the hill.

Eric
post #22 of 22

Do you ski?  

 

    About 80 days/year

 

 

Have you had your skis fall off?  

 

     Yes

Did you have a difficult time putting them back on?

 

     Only on very steep runs when I just cannot get the ski "flat" to enable a step-in

 

How long did it take you to get them back on?

 

     Either 5 seconds or many minutes.  Does this question include the time to find a ski when it is lost in knee-deep fresh powder???

 

 

If there were easier bindings to get into, would you be interested in them?

 

     I doubt it

 

 

What are some things you like or dislike about your ski bindings now?

 

     I don't really think about them

 

What are things you would like to see improved on your ski bindings?

 

    I don't 'really think about them

 

 

Are you an avid skier? or a novice skier?

 

    Avid.  About 80 days/year

 

If you have any other comments please include them below. We would like to hear any information we can about this subject.

 

 

     I guess I might be interested in bindings designed by Jonathan Ives, if he were to turn his attention to such things.

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