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Line 108 Supernatural (186 length)

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Skier info:
Height/weight: 5’10”/170ish
Ability: Eight to Nine
Days/year: 40 to 80


Skis I’ve liked: Bonafide 187 (past favorite), Soul 7  (for backcountry), 186 JJs, MX88 in a 176 (often wish I went longer), Atomic Automatic 186, Movement Thunder 177, Movement Source (past favorite), Rossi B2 and B3, Rossi S4, Kastle RX National Team SL (first favorite). 

Skis I didn't like: The 2008 Mantra seemed one-dimensional and submarined in pow.  I didn’t click with the Elan Apex

Preferred skiing style: Off Piste mostly.  I’m fairly hard charging for a 56-year-old guy.  I enjoy bumps, steeps, chutes, groomers, and trees but I don’t do cliffs or big jumps.

Test Factors:
Locations: Sunshine Village, Lake Louise, Alta, Snowbird  - 20 + days

Conditions: Soft packed, wind sift, groomed, powder, hard, chop – just about everything except continuous boilerplate and bottomless powder

Terrain: The whole mountain – bumps, trees, steeps, chutes, groomed.

Tune: I put a 2 degree bevel on these.

Caveat:  Still recovering from rib injury during some of this period.

Summary of Test:  The Supernatural 108 is hard charging and stable yet playful ski. I found these easy to use and I trusted them in most conditions and terrain  from the first moment onward,. They impress as being a ski that gives back equally to the input.  For me, it has been a ski that disappears on my feet.  A substantial ski that does well in most conditions.

Details of Test: 

Steeps:  I had a lot of fun on the Supernatural’s in Delirium Dive in variable conditions.  On one day, the Dive had snow that was the consistency of hard Styrofoam.  The skis were able to bite into this snow well at the top of the chutes, and I felt comfortable and had fun in the somewhat dicey conditions.  On another day, the conditions were variable, with one turn on hard, the next in wind effected powder, and the next in soft 8” deep powder.  The Supernatural remained stable in this funky stuff, and I felt that the ski could handle whatever came next.  My skiing has consistently felt fast and flowey in the steeps with these skis.

Powder:  Other reviewers have mentioned that the Supernatural’s dive a bit in powder, but that was not my experience.  I felt I could trust the Suprnatural’s while opening up the speed in the large bowls of Alta and Snowbird in 10 to 15 cm of powder.  As the snow became deeper (30 cm +), for example on Fat Boy and Hayes Hill, the Supernatural’s were a joy to ski.  They had great energy from turn to turn and negotiated trees smoothly. 

Crud:  I had a blast in Bye Bye Bowl with its wind-swept, chopped-up crud.  The Supernatural’s cut through this type of snow when making large fast turns and had little deflection.  Again, the skis felt quite stable yet playful.  I felt just as comfortable when slowing it down and making shorter and quicker turns as I did cutting large GS turns. 

Soft to medium hard Groomed:  These skis carve quite well, perhaps a bit better than my Bones but not as well as the MX88 or a true carver.  Provides nice energy at the end of the turn.  Had a blast on the groomed run in Mineral Bowl skiing at mach speed.  Lay these puppies over and stay forward on the skis, and you can rail. 

Very Hard pack to ice:  If I had to ski hard groomed runs all day, I’d prefer the MX88 or another carver over the Supernatural. The Supernatural holds on firm hard pack, but you need to work at it.  On more boilerplate, the Supernaturals didn’t want to dig in, but not many wide skis would.  Still felt sufficient control.

Bumps/Trees:  Zippy but precise and mellow in trees.  Lots of fun – playful at slower speeds, yet solid when the speed is turned up several notches.  Not surprisingly, the Supernaturals were quick and agile on softer bumps.  Not the best in icy choppy bumps. 

COMMENT:   It’s surprising that these skis have not gotten more press this year – really have not seen any of these in Canada or the US.  Buyers for stores must have stayed away and stocked skies that might be easier to sell.  Too bad for Line.

 

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Interesting; this follows Blister's take, with less gush. Have you had a chance to try the Supernatural 100? And how would you judge these in terms of dampness at speed (given the use of elastomer in the sidewalls)? 

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Yes - I found the SN108 to ski much like the description by Blister.  On the first day on these I was struck by how much fun they were zipping through trees on Hays Hill and in Teepee at Sunshine, yet how stable they felt doing big arcs in Bye Bye bowl at Sunshine. On subsequent days the skis have not disappointed.  Hard to pick between the older Bones and the new 108s.

 

I do find the SN108 to be damp at speed; however, I really can't say that the elastomer sidewalls do much one way or the other. 

 

No I haven't tried the SN100.


Edited by canadianskier - 3/4/15 at 5:00pm
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I second everything you said and blister said. Felt at home from first run and confidence inspiring. I'm 160 lb aggressive skier that skis 60+ days/yr at Aspen mountains. They don't even sell them in town even though it's perfect for days like today where we get 4-6 inches and then skiing tracked out pow. Blast through the piles, rips bumps and trees, and beautiful arcs on the groomers. Getting rid of my hell and backs as it's redundant and getting something 88 under foot for whenever there is no fresh snow and were skiing hard bumps and groomers.
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I have been on Line skis for the past 5 years.  I started with the Line Prophet 100 - loved it.  I then went through 3 pairs of Line Influence 105's - 100+ days on each pair, and loved them even more.  As my most recent pair of 105's was wearing out, I bought and started to ski the Line Supernatural 108.  All reviews pointed to it being the logical replacement for the 105's - they're not.  I have a bad knee that is lax because I no longer have any ACL, and as such the knee is susceptible to torsional movement if the ski rides over top of crud as opposed to through it.  It's also fussy with skis that whip at the end of a turn.  The 108 is fully rockered.  The 105 only has an early rise.  I find that in deeper snow, the 108 tends to tip back and forth making it hard to find the center of the ski.  That causes me knee pain.  The 108's are lively, quick, and fun to ski, but I often go away from the day with a sore knee.  The next day I take out my 105's and it's like I took advil.  They are smooth, predictable, and ski anything with stability.  This ski, one of the best I have been on, was discontinued 3 years ago - I don't know why ski makers do that - they have a proven ski, and they just have to replace it with something else.  My current 105's are on their last 20 days, so I went looking on the internet.  Nobody in North America has any left, except for one place I found on in Maine or Vermont.  They had 2 pairs of Influence 105's in my length, possibly the last 2 in NA - so I bought them both.  Should be good now for 2 years - don't know what I'll do after that.

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I have been on Line skis for the past 5 years.  I started with the Line Prophet 100 - loved it.  I then went through 3 pairs of Line Influence 105's - 100+ days on each patir, and loved them even more.  As my most recent pair of 105's was wearing out, I bought and started to ski the Line Supernatural 108.  All reviews pointed to it being the logical replacement for the 105's - they're not.  I have a bad knee that is lax because I no longer have any ACL, and as such the knee is susceptible to torsional movement if the ski rides over top of crud as opposed to through it.  It's also fussy with skis that whip at the end of a turn.  The 108 is fully rockered.  The 105 only has an early rise.  I find that in deeper snow, the 108 tends to tip back and forth making it hard to find the center of the ski.  That causes me knee pain.  The 108's are lively, quick, and fun to ski, but I often go away from the day with a sore knee.  The next day I take out my 105's and it's like I took advil.  They are smooth, predictable, and ski anything with stability.  This ski, one of the best I have been on, was discontinued 3 years ago - I don't know why ski makers do that - they have a proven ski, and they just have to replace it with something else.  My current 105's are on their last 20 days, so I went looking on the internet.  Nobody in North America has any left, except for one place I found on in Maine or Vermont.  They had 2 pairs of Influence 105's in my length, possibly the last 2 in NA - so I bought them both.  Should be good now for 2 years - don't know what I'll do after that.

That's an interesting review. Your experience in crud is totally opposite to mine. I think the SN108s are the best skis I've been on in those conditions - they'll blast through anything if you want them too, but can also be skied with a lighter touch and be a little bouncier if you want them to.

You mentioned they're full rockered. I wonder if you got a pair that wasn't to spec. My pair and every photo I've seen of them have significant camber, with moderate to low tip and tail rocker.

They're still my all time favorite skis based on everything I've ridden. They're a perfect quiver compliment to my Brahmas, and an excellent do-it-all travel ski.
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I have been on Line skis for the past 5 years.  I started with the Line Prophet 100 - loved it.  I then went through 3 pairs of Line Influence 105's - 100+ days on each pair, and loved them even more.  As my most recent pair of 105's was wearing out, I bought and started to ski the Line Supernatural 108.  All reviews pointed to it being the logical replacement for the 105's - they're not.  I have a bad knee that is lax because I no longer have any ACL, and as such the knee is susceptible to torsional movement if the ski rides over top of crud as opposed to through it.  It's also fussy with skis that whip at the end of a turn.  The 108 is fully rockered.  The 105 only has an early rise.  I find that in deeper snow, the 108 tends to tip back and forth making it hard to find the center of the ski.  That causes me knee pain.  The 108's are lively, quick, and fun to ski, but I often go away from the day with a sore knee.  The next day I take out my 105's and it's like I took advil.  They are smooth, predictable, and ski anything with stability.  This ski, one of the best I have been on, was discontinued 3 years ago - I don't know why ski makers do that - they have a proven ski, and they just have to replace it with something else.  My current 105's are on their last 20 days, so I went looking on the internet.  Nobody in North America has any left, except for one place I found on in Maine or Vermont.  They had 2 pairs of Influence 105's in my length, possibly the last 2 in NA - so I bought them both.  Should be good now for 2 years - don't know what I'll do after that.


The Influence 105 is my daily driver as well, I love them too and can't find another pair @ 186. I was really excited for the supernatural, I thought on paper the changes looked really good for the 108 but all the conflicting reviews have me turned off of them. It's really weird to hear so many drastically different experiences.

 

Wish I could demo and see for myself, but nobody carries them.

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If anybody is looking for a KILLER deal on a pair of the old (no tail rocker) Line Influence 115s @186 with Marker Jester bindings @335 bsl, let me know.

 

Skied 5 times.  Great ski, but I no longer ski fast enough or charge hard enough for this type of ski in pow (moved on to a pair of Nordica Patrons).

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