Originally Posted by razie
And I think, BTS, this is why I keep seeing a difference between brush/smear and outright skidding: an almost carved turn is also a decent platform. Not as good, but decent. I can work with it and balance on it and are somewhat in control. While if the skis are flat out skidding, I got no platform to work with/on. It's hard to draw a line there, as it's between 99% and 1%, but there is a difference.
Many people in this forum will be quick to point out that brushing is a form of skidding. Anything that is not arcing has a skidding aspect to it. I don't disagree with the distinction you are making but just the language being used. Think a bit deeper about what are the specific things that make a brushed or smeared carve in some way more useful or significantly different then an "all out skid"?
I would contend the difference is that with an "all out skid" the skis are either drifting or pivoting but the key is they are basically disengaged. Not enough pressure or tipping. Typically a skier who skiis like that will have a lot of pivot or scivoting followed by hard edge sets during low-c to gain control. The big edge set causes a lot of snow spray. Maybe that's what you think of as skidding, the edge set correction. But if you think about what causes this to happen, it's the lack of earlier edge engagement which ultimately led the skier to pivot, possibly drift and finally resort to the hard edge set.
A smeared carve can have a lot of non arcing taking place ( which is skidding isnt it?) but what makes it different? The difference is the existence of carving action which redirects the skier in a curved path. Edge engagement. Is it perfect platform to stand on like arcing? No. That is one reason it's more difficult then pure arcing. Balance skills really have to be there to perform, especially in high-c. Balance skills will create the platform, even as the ski is non-arcing, skidding; but what makes this not a full out skid as you put it, is edge engagement with carving action, but nearly all skidding, even the low-c edge sets mentioned before, have at least a bit of carving action; so it becomes a matter of degree on a continuum.
In my mind the distinguishing factor between one class of turning and another is the existence or not of disengaged twisting or drifting of the skis. When they are disengaged then there is no carving action. If you can engage them from the first moment of the turn, with carving action happening during high-c, then that is smeared carving, regardless of the amount of smeared skidding happening. If they start out disengaged and some pivoting and drifting happens prior to engagement, then that is another class of turn, perhaps one you can lump into your skiddy category.
It all comes back to early edge engagement gives you earlier control and control of line and speed during high-c, vs the other way where you skip high-c control altogether by pivoting and drifting through it.
Smeared carves can be very smeary, with the ski self steering itself into very small radius turns at slower speeds. Flatten the ski too much and it will become more pivoty and disengaged. Carving action is lost. Personally that is what i think you mean by all out skidded