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post #1 of 71
Thread Starter 
On the Up,Down & Sideways Topic there was an off topic about a over weight fitness trainer.

I didn't post my opinion on the subject at the time because it HIT to close to home.

I agree with LM on the subject that she had very poor form. Since I was in Ballet (point), Jazz, Tap, some Gymnastics in High school, I know all about Proper form
and (not stated by LM) the fact she was under dress for someone of her size.

This is were I think many of you missed the point on why she sued Jazzersize(sp?).

Let me explain with a little history......

My best friend has been heavy all her life, and has fought with Bulimia since she was 13 yrs old. I was slim, trim, athlete and never had a problem with weight. I use to think if she would just exercise and stop eating crap she would lose the weight. I never understood till I gained weight myself.

It's not as easy to lose weight(talking about large gain) as it sounds.

I am embarrassed to say this.. but I will.... I weight right now 230lbs my heaviest was 245lbs pregnant. I have lost 15lbs and proud of that fact. Now, I look a hell of a lot better then that chick(skin is not lose) in that pic that LM posted.

I know how I gained my weight... Diabetes, Depression, stress, etc......

It does not bother me going to a place and have skinny instructors leading me on in a fitness exercise, but for my best friend IT DOES.

Now if that lady was wearing a more appropriate outfit, and had better form I find nothing wrong with a large instructor. It would help motivate people like my friend to take a healthier way to better her health then the one she had taken long ago.

For many women, its a metal battel as well as physical, and seeing a skinny woman is intimidating for over weight woman like my friend. I have a different mind set then my friend because I can still see myself when I was slim, but my friend has never been truely slim and can only see herself has heavy.

I hope this makes sence to some of you. I don't like to see over weight woman being bashed or just talked bad about. I can still ski, hike, bike, and do other activities even being over weight. All I ask is for certain people ( NOT LM) to not judge woman because they are large.

This is why she sued: She was over weight they wouldn't let her work for them, and that is what they told her. Had they said she didn't have the proper form or training to represent them... We would have a whole different can of worms here. :

Thank you. Becca

[ May 22, 2002, 11:42 PM: Message edited by: SnO Eagle # ]
post #2 of 71
Becca, I hear you! Throughout my entire career, I've had to deal with the stigma of not being a stick figure aerobics instructor.

I was going to comment on her clothing, but I thought it was the wrong place to do so.
But since you brought it up, her sports bra was completely unsupportive, which is downright unhealthy!
And if you observed the other class participants, they too were not properly attired. People tend to follow their instructors.

But as you pointed out, the main issue here, is correct form. I feel the same way about severely overweight people teaching aerobics as I do about Affirmative Action.

Yes, its only fair to open up the playing field for everyone. But nobody should be held to a lower standard in order to be hired.
post #3 of 71
Thanks for being so honest. Congratulations on losing 15 lbs. That is very hard to do and quite an achievement!

Aerobics instructors are welcome to come in all sizes and shapes. As long as they know what they are doing (correct form), play kick ass music, and make it vigorous, it doesn't matter to me if they are 100 lbs. or 350 lbs.

Incidentally, the only female instructor that ever annoyed me had, in fact, a perfect body. Very curvy. All the men ogled. We'd get these old guys in aerobics class, if you know what I mean. Anyway, she was so damn nice and sweet and unpretentious, that you just had to finally forgive her for wining the gene pool jackpot.
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post #5 of 71
Thread Starter 
Thank you LM... That is a great article and I am going to send a link to my friend for her to read.

And I HOPE the other Bears are reading this.

Originaly quoted by WhosThatGirl:
Thanks for being so honest. Congratulations on losing 15 lbs. That is very hard to do and quite an achievement!
Thanks WhosThatGirl,
I couldn't start weight loss till I stopped nursing. After Dec I have been working hard on it, and I also have a tape measurements of my body but I am not going to post that. [img]redface.gif[/img] I have lost total of 20inchs so far.
post #6 of 71
Weight and size are a constant refrain in western society, aren't they?!
I've given up on weight. I can go down a whole dress size or 2, but only lose a few kilos (happens about a month into each ski season).

i'm 5'3", and range from 175lb to 167lb. According to the height for weight charts, I ought to be a walking pumpkin, but am a US size 12.
post #7 of 71
Muscle weighs more than fat. People who do weight bearing activity, like skiing have more bone mass, especially if you started when you were very young. You can put 2 women of the same height next to each other, one ways 120 and does not work out, the other weighs 150 and does, you may thing the 150 lb women is slimmer.

Posture is important, too. People who carry themselves well look slimmer than those who slouch!
post #8 of 71
Thread Starter 
yep yep.... LM

At 5'4 I weighted 135 lbs when I was in top shape, in school the gym teacher would tell me I was 15 over weight for my height. I told her that 15 lbs of muscle not fat, and if she would look at at how I was built and not the scale she would see where the muscle was. I had a bubble butt(all muscle) and very solid legs(yr of dance and sports). The boy's on the indoor soccer team called me Thunder Foot because I could clear a path when I kicked it just right(they all got the hell out of its way).
post #9 of 71
graagh, I overstated it a tad. Get confused with kg vs lb. Hm, range 75kg-67kg, that's 165lb - 147 lb. Otherwise I could have entered myself in the pumpkin show.
post #10 of 71
There was an interesting show on CBS last night about weight, dieting, etc.

It spent a considerable amount of time talking about men suffering from eating disorders. As some of you know, I'm very open about my alchoholism. I've been sober for ten years. Every day is a struggle. The big problem is that when I quit drinking I gained fifty pounds!

Last year I started watching what I ate and running. I lost thirty pounds last summer hoping to shed fourty. I gained ten back over the winter. I'm running/biking again and watching what I eat. I hate the word diet!

I guess my point in all of this is to point out the nexus between food consumption and alchoholism. I'm convinced the two are very similar. Right now, I'm sober in both ways. I'm not eating any meat, I'm not eating any desserts/snacks, and I'm consuming 1800-2000 calories per day to support 35 miles of running/week and 75 miles of biking/week.

I know this much. I'll lose the final few pounds by August. My "real" job ramps up from August to December and that's when I travel weekly. The question will be as follows. I travel. I get lonely. I miss my wife and daughter. I pass a convenience store. It is loaded with snickers bars and twinkies. Will I stop?
post #11 of 71
Rusty Guy

I gotta admire you for all you've done and accomplished. Too cool. You'll get there, as you've already done 90% of your journey.

I guess I don't understand why you still have the need to label yourself an alcoholic. : I mean, it's been 10 whole YEARS--isn't it about time you dropped that stigma and forgot about it?? I think someone came up with the idea that once you drink every day, decide you have a problem with it, kick the habit, and go on with other things, that you must Still Be An Alcoholic for the remainder of your days. What an unneccessary guilt trip to lay on yourself.

I smoked for 25 years. Not a lot. Half pack a day. I quit 3 years ago. I don't think of myself as Still A Smoker. It was every bit as addicting as alcohol was to you (past tense, yeah!). And I suppose I was an alcoholic also, with drinking to excess daily for about 10 years..till that got old too (the stories I could tell would make ya sick, but I guess you've been there too?).

But why in the world, after 10 years without, would you let it define part of who you are? Let it go and don't suck in the dogma that some people try to stick on ya that once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. The person that coined that phrase was pretty sick, too.

I am not ripping on you. I'm ripping on labels that are undeserved. I just don't think being an alcoholic is a "disease" that a person always has. It's a mindset. It's a Choice. You made another choice. One that is better for you. :

That is all. End of rant.
post #12 of 71
Bonni- I'm convinced of two things

1) Alchoholism IS a disease. One may not have had a seizure for some time, however, you still are an epileptic. I feel as though it's genetic, coming from a family of drunks.

2) I really need the label. It keeps my awareness where it needs to be to deal with the disorder. I'm honestly not ashamed of having the disease.

Thanks for your kind words. I appreciate what you had to say. Come to Colorado some time and watch a drunk turn em. I may be 47, however, I don't think I ski or teach skiing like my age!

Now....the real problem. I ran eight miles in the mountains today and just blew my diet for the day by succonbing to a pop tart. At least I didn't eat the whole box.
post #13 of 71
OK. If the label does you some good, then it's a cool thing for you to have.

I am 47, too! Fun age, huh!? [img]tongue.gif[/img] It's funny though: my mind is getting better, yet the body is going to hell quickly. What's with that? Some kind of cosmic joke? Yeesh.

Pop tarts!? With a Spam chaser? I admire you for being able to eat one. Passing a Snickers is easy. What a heavy candy. If you can stand them, eat Red Vines. No fat, low calories, yet it has that sugar fix thing goin on that will see you through the worst. I used them when I stopped smoking.

Don't be so hard on yourself. My ex is an alcoholic. He doesn't drink a lot, oh no, but every day without fail, at 5 pm, if there is no beer around, he will be in this nasty mood. Ugh. Every single day. And there has to be at least 2 beers available or there was hell to pay. His whole personality changes when he has 3 or more, and I started to dread the hours from 5-8 every day. (He mellowed out after that.) I rather liked those hours of the day, so I decided to enjoy them on my own. So now I do. Without him. He chose the beer and let me go. What a loss.

You make some great choices. You go, Dude.

I would like to go to Colorado this winter, if I can swing the $$ problem. It really isn't far from here--12 hour drive someone said. Maybe I could talk some of my friends into a 4 day weekend sometime. :
post #14 of 71
Thread Starter 

It's part of recovery for an alcholic, my husband has been sober for over 6 yrs. Oct 9, 95 was his first day of his new life.

Every day is a new day to stay sober. He lives by the AA creed.
post #15 of 71
Re the 'label' bit

I'm a disabled skier & LM dissed me for using that in my 'handle'.
I see no problem in that though - it is a part of who I am - & has a BIG effect on my skiing - this is a ski related site.

I think using the 'alcoholic' label might be useful to those that need it.

Having someone else use a label in a derogatory manner is unpleasant - using a label for yourself that helps you do what you need to do is not.
post #16 of 71
Part of it is the "addictive personality" thing. You end up substituting a "positive addiction" for a "negative addiction". Skiing, fitness, and posting on internet forums can be considered "positive addictions". [img]smile.gif[/img]

But the addictive element of the personality is still there, and needs to be respected.
post #17 of 71

I suppose I could label myself a disabled skier too, but I guess I don't see the need. Maybe some day. It won't bother me when I do.

Everyone else-
I think that it bothers me when society is so loose with its terms. I would prefer "ex-alcoholic" , like ex-smoker, because it seems much more positive. And how come when you are a smoker, no one says you have a "disease"? Alcoholism is supposedly a disease, yet smoking can Cause lung and heart Disease, but isn't one in itself.

I hear a commercial on the radio daily that irritates me. It's about this "horrible disease" called Debt. People are afflicted with this "disease" that ruins lives and relationships. Oh, please, since when does overspending, habitually or not, constitute a disease?????? It is a condition, a choice, a symptom of some underlying mental glitch thing, but to call that a disease trivializes true diseases.

I guess my idea of what constitutes a disease is not what everyone else's idea is. To me, a disease is something that you Cannot Stop. You can't stop having Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, Muscular Dystrophy or Multiple Sclerosis. You CAN stop drinking, smoking, gambling and overspending. It may be hard, you may have to fight it every day, but damn it, you're not falling down drunk, coughing up a lung, or wasting your food money ANY MORE. I wish I could will away MS. I would give anything to have that battle.

Unfortunately, there is no choice for me.

I hope I haven't offended anyone. That is not my reason for this. I just get rankled with the terms flying around these days that take the blame off the individual and place it elsewhere. I'm all for individual accountability and responsibility. Make a decision to improve your life and do it.

That is all. End of rant.
post #18 of 71
Bonnie - probably a perspective thing.

I spent the first 20 years (nearly) of my life being labelled as 'clumsy' & constantly being told to 'watch what I was doing' as I fell up & down steps/kerbs etc & ran into walls & hit myslef with doors ....
You get the picture

By the time I was at Uni it was obvious from certain labs I did that I was not quite normal...
Then we thought I had a problem but was low level normal(remember not a heap was known about proprioception - even now there is a lot not known). So I worked HARD at doing stuff to try & improve. Lots of weights(increases feedback if a limb is heavy). I had a bunch of 4 aerobics instructors pin me down in the gym one day to teach me how to use opposite arm & leg together(needed 1 for each limb) -then they moved them for me to teach me the movement pattern.
Again - you get the picture

Eventually I end up working at a ski resort, I am a ripe old age - but I figure if I am to work there for a season I had better have a go at this skiing thing so I can say I tried it(OK I'm a stubborn bitch). I accosted ski school & explained I can't really copy movements - so I need a teacher who skis - not a skier who shows others. The ski school private lesson desk woman is SMART - & allocates me an instructor who works with blind skiers a lot - blind skiers don't copy.
After 3 lessons he tells me I had better go register with Disabled Wintersports & be evaluated - because I have a problem. I'm saying "Oh don't be daft - it isn't THAT bad" He insists that it is THAT bad - I'm worse or as bad as his 2 clients who had BIG STROKE or HUGE head injury in car accident. After a doctors assessment I discover I am WAAAAAAAY below normal level - comically so.
As we start to evaluate how I learn & how I compensate I become aware of MANY small things I do every day.

As much as anything I like to ocassionally throw the 'label' out at people I meet skiing to challenge their perception of a disability. They all go looking for the wooden leg(hey I'm not in a chair)

We have a society here that deals with disabled people - they started working with cerebal palsy people many years ago. They have an advertisement running ATM that points out that NOT all disabilities are present at birth - it includes shots of many people as kids(healthy) & then states the disability & the age they acquired it. Some have had strokes - others accidents - others Parkinsons disease. Is any disability a more 'correct' one? They are pushingthe same story - we come in many shapes & forms.

Anyway - back to the top - you are fighting your disability & so the label isn't suitable to your mind set - good!
I have little choice - I was born this way - I too am fighting - but I see part of my fight as accepting HOW I am & working out HOW I can use what I DO HAVE to overcome that. In daily life I appear clumsy - but that is about it.

Oh - another distinction - over there you seem to have special ski schools for those with disabilities & special instructors.
While here we all use the same school & instructors (they are all made to do some work in exams etc with disabilities, I believe). Some may specialise a little - as in they take more disabled skiers - but they also take normal classes. So when I book a lesson no-one except ME & the person taking the payment know it is a disabled lesson. (we get 50% off on lesons & tickets)

I would prefer to be a person with special needs in a regular ski school than a person who has to go to the 'gumby' school. If I had to do that I might feel a bit less happy about using the label.

[ May 29, 2002, 06:19 AM: Message edited by: disski ]
post #19 of 71
According to the formula available at the
site LM posted, I am overweight.
That's right.

Ten years ago (1992-1993) I came up with the stupid idea of competing in a triathlon event (it was a little one, for amateurs). In six months (roughly)
I went from 72 Kg to 87 Kg (swimming every day,
running every other day, and cycling twice a week)
mainly because of the swimmming part.
Those were muscles.
Alas, I couldn't compete, and stopped training:
those muscles became FAT.
It took me till now to reach 77 kg...given that I can't train I hope to lose a couple of kg more but
nothing else...
I even stopped climbing on a scale
post #20 of 71
It's all relative and all in the mind. There's a lot of -

"I couldn't ..(train exercise etc).... because"

"I can't ...(train exercise etc)"

"I gained weight because of ......"

"I'm overweight because of ....."

For approximately 99.967234% of the population a well balanced diet with a fair amount of exercise = good healthy shape (exact weight isn't important). You have the choice of what to eat (more choice than a lot of people round the world, many starve). When you have a choice of a Big Mac or something healthy just imagine there are two other choices, one being a plain bowl of rice and the other being nothing (these are the choices other people in the world have). The heathly meal will be much more attractive.

You have the choice of many places to exercise and many things to exercise with (insert kegel jokes here). Not every person round the world can afford to ski, go to the local swimming baths, can buy bikes, buy running shoes etc.

Be positive think of all the ways you could exercise. (e.g. A physical game with the kids. Buy one of those exercise machines from ebay and exercise while watching TV.)

Don't look for the excuse, look for the solution.
Almost anybody can be in a good healthy shape, it just takes effort (some more than others) time and commitment.


[ May 29, 2002, 06:16 AM: Message edited by: DangerousBrian ]
post #21 of 71
Thread Starter 

Sometime a person can eat healthy and not lose weight. When I was pregnant; I was on a strict diet and I had to eat at certain times, and only certain times of food.

Exercise was limited for me because of the diabetes and the babies.

For me to lose weight it takes exercise, more than less food intake. I cut out soda, limited chocolate(my favorite) and I am not big on snack foods. I chop on Veggies, and eat healthy normal foods, and I only lost 15 lbs. With my knees I am limited to what type of exercise I can do.

Also MEN burn and lose fat different then woman.
post #22 of 71
On the lighter side, what do the more portly people think is a more offensive term, fat or obese? I ask this because I once described a 270lb. woman as slightly obese when trying to explain her leg swelling and was verbally toasted by her daughter. Now obese is a medical term with a actual definition (albeit variable) while fat is a term I think is derogatory. The daughter felt the opposite. Any opinions? skidoc [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #23 of 71
I will PM you and we can talk more.

Dangerous Brian-

You're one smart guy. You're right. We are what we eat. I ate rice for one day in support of the wierdos on Survivor, and it Sucked! Every one of us here is extremely fortunate . We not only have enough food, hobbies, jobs, and all the necessities, but we have luxuries like computers and the time to play with them.

Take stock in your blessings.

You can't please everyone. Maybe it's time for a new term for overweight people. Weebleweighted. I like that one. How could that be offensive?
post #24 of 71
Just to clarify I was once an obese kid until I discovered sports and a bit of dietary discipline but I was fortunate enough to change things. I've also since learned from the more tactful people in my office that "overweight" is the more politically correct term. I've read that the USA spends more than 40 billion dollars a year related to obesity! skidoc
post #25 of 71
Originally posted by SnO Eagle #:

Sometime a person can eat healthy and not lose weight. When I was pregnant; I was on a strict diet and I had to eat at certain times, and only certain times of food.

Exercise was limited for me because of the diabetes and the babies.

For me to lose weight it takes exercise, more than less food intake. I cut out soda, limited chocolate(my favorite) and I am not big on snack foods. I chop on Veggies, and eat healthy normal foods, and I only lost 15 lbs. With my knees I am limited to what type of exercise I can do.

Also MEN burn and lose fat different then woman.
SnO Eagle,

I know women burn fat differently, my girl-friend gave up smoking and started to put on weight. It wasn't until she realised diets only work with commitment and exercise that the fat came back off again. She got a new mountain bike, a heart pulse meter, and we got a cross country indoor trainer so we can train in any weather (better on the knees than running). It was expensive but well worth the health and eventual financial payback (have you seen the price of cigarettes!!?). She recently said "It's much better eating chocolate now that I know the exercise will stop me from putting on weight"

Where's the solution - What exercise can you do? Aren't there exercises that are good for your knees. (e.g. Can you walk or get on an exercise bike or a cross country trainer?) What exercise advice has your doctor given? Some people in other war stricken countries can't go out the door without the risk of being shot. You live in a free society, make the most of it and get out there. If you stay at your current weight are your knees your biggest health risk? Sometimes doing nothing is the biggest risk of all.

I always smile when I see disabled people skiing or biking (on a hand-operated recumbent bicycle), successful people never give up.


[ May 30, 2002, 04:53 AM: Message edited by: DangerousBrian ]
post #26 of 71
Skidoc - over here the medical terms are
BMI 25-30 Overweight
BMI >30 Obese

So obese would be a 'nastier' word
post #27 of 71
To me (non-technical) obese > fat > overweight
post #28 of 71
Thread Starter 

Actually I do a lot of Power walking, I put the girls in the double stroller and push them around. If I want to get a really good work out I take the dogs with me on each side of the stroller and use them as sled dog's . They behave better when I have the girls, they know is there job to protect the babies.

I have tried do get more biking in, but due to the fact I have to pull the girls behind me in the trailer I am limited to WHERE I can bike. Lisamarie was right about still having the chemical in my body from my pregnancy at least for a year, but since I nursed it will be in me longer then a year. My muscles cramped on me horribly last time (even after I stretch), so now to get biking in I have to wait till my husband is home to pull the girls behind him.

If I was only 20 lb. over weight I could loss it with no problem, but 100 lb. is a different story. Biking, Swimming (not a strong swimmer), walking , and some weights lifts are the only way I am going to get my weight off. So far I am doing good.

But also not all woman lose the same, on my dad side I have the genes against me. [img]tongue.gif[/img] My best friend has it worst than me because she will never be a tiny like she wants to be.
post #29 of 71
Sno Eagle,

Perhaps Lisa Marie can advise better, but light exercise over a long period of time (2hrs+ per day) with a high carbohydrate (60-70%) diet burns fat for me. To avoid cramps build up the exercise gently, warm up and don't try too much too soon. Once you are in good shape the exercise can be slowly ramped back down again.

Having something like this helps (pick em up cheap on ebay), you can watch the TV at the same time .....

Fat doesn't magically appear (or disappear) despite anybodies condition. Both our families have people that are over-weight, the difference between them and us is our life styles.

Part of the battle is pushing any restrictions aside. Any further excuses are only accepted with correspondiong solutions [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Best of luck


PS If 20 lbs is no problem just think of it as 20 lbs X 5.
post #30 of 71
The reality is that it is brutal to create the deficit necessary to drop pounds. If you're not hungry and cranky, you're still eating too much. Learn to live with some hunger, suck it up, and you'll get to where you want to be.

Exercise is key to maintaining your body, but, unfortunately it doesn't do much to drop pounds.

I walk the walk, talk the talk once a year. June is going to be a very cranky month.
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