Originally Posted by epic
Did the guys you were skiing with have any thoughts on it?
I've yet to ask.
Originally Posted by Kneale Brownson
Were your ski partners older? Maybe Austrian-trained?
One is definitely more old school, skis as many bumps as possible. The other is a very modern skier who skis different styles at different times, he's a Level 3 and trainer.
Originally Posted by Ghost
Perhaps ricocheting off of one edge set onto the next?
I think there is a bit of this going on yes, but it's awfully smooth watching them from behind.
Originally Posted by epic
Start slower and work up your tempo. A turn is still a turn. I'm pretty good at these fall line shorts. If I'm having trouble with them, my first check point is making sure that I am in fact moving from outside ski to outside ski. I will think "left, right, left, right" and make sure that I truly am standing on each ski. I'll make sure my stance hasn't gotten too narrow. If it has narrowed, my hips are going to start following the skis. I'm not thinking Foot-Squirt™ here (but I would in a longer, rounder reaching short), but do work both ends of the ski. You have to let the tip pull you in and you should be feeling the tail at the finish too. If the turns are working, all I am thinking about is tempo. I'll do the first two or three a little slower and then turn it up once I'm moving.
Good advice, I'll try this. I've actually done the "left, right, left, right" mantra in the glades (opposite to the direction of travel, so it's "left footed turn, right footed turn, etc.) I was trying a bit of a reaching movement when I tried this on Wednesday and it didn't work at all.
However their stances are both pretty narrow when doing these turns, and it appears fairly two-footed, weight even between the skis. That said an outside ski focus still would probably help.
Originally Posted by Nailbender
@ SkiMangoJazz wrote:
Took a quick look at the first post and video and that's not what I'm talking about. Those are round turns.
I'll take that as a compliment MJZ even though it didn't help you with what you're trying to do.
Grab some vid of you friends, it would be interesting to see what they are doing.
So hard to get video of me or by me as teaching days are so busy, and skiing bumps with my phone in one hand is out of the question. Plus it's been too cold to take a hand out of my glove!
Originally Posted by Jamt
One of the keys is great upper lower separation, in all planes. You don't have time to hurl the entire body around in 0,5 secs.
Another key is aggressive retraction and not engaging the skis until they have a certain amount of edge. Engaging them too soon will just slow things down.
It is a lot about rhythm, a quick pole tap helps.
This is a good example of what I mean
Thanks Jamt. Still those turns are not what I'm seeing, much rounder and more shape. Sorry I can't provide a video or better description of what I'm seeing. To use Rick's terminology they are about 30 degree of turn turns. http://www.yourskicoach.com/glossary/SkiGlossary/Degree_of_Turn.html
The video you posted are more like 70 degree of turn turns.