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post #61 of 70
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I owned them last year ... you just have to define "crud" I guess. They were fine in cut-up soft winter snow, but anything that firmed up, whether due to wind or sun or whatever, it was rough. But most skis are fine in cut-up soft snow, so when I am differentiating something as a "crudbuster," I think of a ski that turns difficult snow into fun snow. 

 

Exactly.  I guess it's all relative, but I've never skied "real" crud in Colorado or Utah.  Not what we call crud in Tahoe, anyway.  Likewise, I'm sure what we call blower you guys would chuckle at.

post #62 of 70
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I tried to get pics with the bindings mounted, but none of them do the skis justice. The binding coil is an aqua that perfectly matches the tips and tails of the skis. If only REI hadn't stuck some newb "L" and "R" stickers on the skis. I mean really. This does explain why they insisted on having both boots.

post #63 of 70
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They were fine in cut-up soft winter snow, but anything that firmed up, whether due to wind or sun or whatever, it was rough. But most skis are fine in cut-up soft snow, so when I am differentiating something as a "crudbuster," I think of a ski that turns difficult snow into fun snow. 

Cannot speak to the Soul, but the current Super I own is apparently very similar, just wider and a touch softer. Can say that busting stiff crud ain't among it's strengths, but easy enough to navigate stiff crud. Just stay on edge, keep them below 40 mph, and don't lose your mind if the fronts get a touch lively. That said, my sense is that I'm an outlier; most here value smooth n' easy in crud at speed, e.g., making it fun, over nearly any other individual attribute a ski has. I get that, all good. (And given how there's more crud and less fresh year by year, it makes sense.) So don't buy a Soul or Sin or Super if you want to ram through stuff without losing a grin. They just aren't that ski. 

 

Have not been on The Ski - a situation that may change - but have a hunch it shares some of that. Physics giveth and physics taketh away.

post #64 of 70
^^^^she did say "playful" crud buster. Which everybody of course ignored smile.gif
post #65 of 70
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Originally Posted by NayBreak View Post

^^^^she did say "playful" crud buster. Which everybody of course ignored smile.gif

 

I did say that, but my Sick Day 110s are plenty playful - not so much crudbuster. That is, they're fine on soft snow and a little chop, but not so great once it's set a little. Again, my husband can ski his SFBs just fine in crud and says he just has to ignore the tips and tails feeling a little loose, but for me it isn't terribly reassuring.

post #66 of 70
You did make your choice some 28 posts ago smile.gif, but since we're still debating the notion, seems there is a category notion of "playful charger". This from Blister's review of the new 114mm ON3P Jeffrey:
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The Jeffrey 114 (shown below) and wider Jeffrey 122 are the descendants of the now-retired ON3P Caylor, which was a playful powder ski with a relatively damp, heavier feel.

ON3P says the Jeffrey is designed “for the freeride-minded skier who wants his soft snow skis to have a backbone, who understands that stability is an ally, and can’t worry about their skis failing along the way.”

(That description makes us giddy.)

The Jeffrey 114′s weight (~2,380 grams per ski in the 186cm length) and full bamboo core certainly suggest that it, like the Caylor, could be a strong contender in the “playful charger” category of all-mountain / powder skis (ON3P calls the Jeffrey 114 “a perfect everyday ski for the West Coast.”)

It's an intriguing question because I think plenty of people sit squarely in the "playful" category without wanting to give up stability and would like to hear more about some options in this class, rather than coming at it from the other direction. Or maybe it's just me smile.gif.
post #67 of 70
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Originally Posted by NayBreak View Post

You did make your choice some 28 posts ago smile.gif, but since we're still debating the notion, seems there is a category notion of "playful charger". This from Blister's review of the new 114mm ON3P Jeffrey:
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The Jeffrey 114 (shown below) and wider Jeffrey 122 are the descendants of the now-retired ON3P Caylor, which was a playful powder ski with a relatively damp, heavier feel.

ON3P says the Jeffrey is designed “for the freeride-minded skier who wants his soft snow skis to have a backbone, who understands that stability is an ally, and can’t worry about their skis failing along the way.”

(That description makes us giddy.)

The Jeffrey 114′s weight (~2,380 grams per ski in the 186cm length) and full bamboo core certainly suggest that it, like the Caylor, could be a strong contender in the “playful charger” category of all-mountain / powder skis (ON3P calls the Jeffrey 114 “a perfect everyday ski for the West Coast.”)

It's an intriguing question because I think plenty of people sit squarely in the "playful" category without wanting to give up stability and would like to hear more about some options in this class, rather than coming at it from the other direction. Or maybe it's just me smile.gif.

I like the idea of that category. I consider my Gypsies playful on soft snow - they are surprisingly nimble in the trees - but just too much work to ski if I'm not reaping the joy of deep snow.

I skied my Sick Day 110s on Sunday at Crested Butte with 14" overnight. I think I was just too lazy to swap skis from the car, and I expected to be skiing up high, hitting lots of rocks. But I think I would have had more fun on the Gypsies.
post #68 of 70

I own some ON3P Jeffrey's (the 2013/14 110mm version) and that description is pretty spot on there.

post #69 of 70
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I skied the Santa Ana for the first time today. Love love love. Big Sky snow was variable, an inch of fresh over firm and crusty, then smooshy later in the day. Highly confidence inspiring in all those conditions.

post #70 of 70
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I would like to reiterate my love for this ski. Today I skied A Basin in extremely springy conditions. We made the poor decision to head skier's left of Zuma (Northern Spy) - big crusty chunks, like mini avy debris. These skis held an edge and powered through. I felt perfectly confident. Then over to the right side and far out on Zuma Cornice, where the snow was somewhere between corn and slushy. Again, great hold, no backtalk. This ski fits the bill, for sure.

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