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2016 Brahma same as 2015?

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

Can anyone tell me if the 2016 Blizzard Brahma is the same as the 2015? I demoed 2015's and loved them, but the shop only had 2016's and said they were the same, just cosmetic changes. Just want to verify before mounting. Thanks

post #2 of 19
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Originally Posted by ckck View Post
 

Can anyone tell me if the 2016 Blizzard Brahma is the same as the 2015? I demoed 2015's and loved them, but the shop only had 2016's and said they were the same, just cosmetic changes. Just want to verify before mounting. Thanks

Correctamundo, same ski with new and improved graphics. 

post #3 of 19
Thread Starter 

Wow...that was quick!!

 

Thank you

post #4 of 19
Afte reading your review of the new of the 2016 bonafides, Is blizzard planning on doing the carbon thing to the brahma's as well or would affect the ski in a 'negative' manner for this particular ski?
post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by midwestfabs View Post

Afte reading your review of the new of the 2016 bonafides, Is blizzard planning on doing the carbon thing to the brahma's as well or would affect the ski in a 'negative' manner for this particular ski?

Not that I am aware of, but I wouldn't put it past them, it is working for the Bonafide and I see no reason it wouldn't for the Brahma. With that said, I wouldn't wait another year to make the purchase. 

post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

Correctamundo, same ski with new and improved graphics. 


Not according to 2016 SKI magazine buyers guide, pg 55 -

 

"Brahma tweaked for this year with a lighter tip and what testers thought was a generally less demanding demeanor..."

 

Is this true?

 

 

Btw, they ranked it best in test and best value of the men's mixed snow east category.

 

Testers were all in the 190 - 195lbs weight class, so even if the above claimed tweak is true I'd still question the skis "all mountain" suitability for us 130 - 150lbs lightweights.

 

Then again they also really like the new 2016 Kendo, and we already read what 150lbs Dawg had to say about it:\

post #7 of 19
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

Correctamundo, same ski with new and improved graphics. 


Not according to 2016 SKI magazine buyers guide, pg 55 -

 

"Brahma tweaked for this year with a lighter tip and what testers thought was a generally less demanding demeanor..."

 

Is this true?

 

 

Btw, they ranked it best in test and best value of the men's mixed snow east category.

 

Testers were all in the 190 - 195lbs weight class, so even if the above claimed tweak is true I'd still question the skis "all mountain" suitability for us 130 - 150lbs lightweights.

 

Then again they also really like the new 2016 Kendo, and we already read what 150lbs Dawg had to say about it:\

Bonafide, Cochise and Bodacious all received carbon in the tip (and tail). Brahma and Latigo returned unchanged in construction. 

post #8 of 19

Didn't Blizzard make some construction changes to the 2015 Cochise that made it a little more user friendly without using carbon tip/tail and if so perhaps Blizzard has done a similar non carbon change to the Brahma for 2016 to make it less demanding?

post #9 of 19
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Didn't Blizzard make some construction changes to the 2015 Cochise that made it a little more user friendly without using carbon tip/tail and if so perhaps Blizzard has done a similar non carbon change to the Brahma for 2016 to make it less demanding?

Cochise and Bodacious have all new shapes for 16. The Bodacious is also softer now and both of these have actual camber too. 

post #10 of 19
Does the 2016 Brahma ski short like the earlier models? At least I've read that opinion in other threads.
post #11 of 19
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Does the 2016 Brahma ski short like the earlier models? At least I've read that opinion in other threads.

The Brahma skis true to length. 

post #12 of 19

I've skied on the Brahma since it was introduced {have a pair for sale in the gear Forum, BTW}, and I've skied the new 2016. Same ski, different graphics. That's what I've been told, and that's what I sure feel. 

 

As far as skiing "short", here's my observation with all of the Blizzard flip core skis. We have a lot of them in our family. Our son's a coach, and he's been on the product for 5 seasons; he skis the whole lineup {no Latigo's} in the max lengths. Our daughter's a former NorAm/NCAA racer, and her DD is a 180cm Bonafide. I ski the brahma in a 187cm, the Bonafide in the same, the Bodacious longer.

 

As PP notes, the ski feels to all of us as if it's true to length, when you get it out from underneath you, on edge, and when you're "working" the ski. However, these skis have been so popular, and such great sellers in recent years that you see a ton of people on them. I think that many people have bought them based on how they aspire to ski, rather than on how they currently ski. Last winter I had a chance to ski a couple of afternoons in the Rockies with both kids, and we had a lot of people in lift lines remarking on how long our skis were. Particularly our daughter {and I guess our son's 196cm Bodacious}. 

 

If you ski the ski pretty flat, and just skid it, or pivot it, you're certainly not going to get the most out of the ski, but it will feel "shorter". If you're not centered on the ski, on a shorter ski, and riding it flat and straight in might feel a bit squirrelly. You watch good skiers on the ski, and they're always pretty dynamic, even if it's gently on some edge on the flats. With the tip rocker, and a bit of tail rocker, when it's dead flat it might seem short. That's my hunch of where that comes from.

 

I would buy them to length, every time. Great skis. I get a kick out of people who think the Flip-Core design is a gimmick, etc. I don't think they've really skied the skis. Our son was a fully comped skier with the biggest mane in racing, and when he first tried a Bonafide prototype in maybe 2010?,  he called me up and and just gushed. Game changer, does it all on anything. etc. I've never heard him talk about a non-race ski like that. 

 

I think the Brahma is a tremendous OSQ. If I needed a OSQ, I'd keep them. I still may keep them! Just have too many skis!

post #13 of 19

Just to clear some  things up.  The Bonafide, Cochise and bodacious are the only skis in the blizzard line that got the new carbon fiber flipcore for 2016.  The main reason for this switch is because the carbon lightens the tip/tail and helps to dampen the ski.  The only skis that this would really benefit were the wider skis in the blizzard line because they could get unstable at speed. The Brahma was kept the same because it was so great as it was it didn't really need the improvement.  Id take this with a grain of salt, but that's what my blizzard rep told me at my shops demo.

post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by Jonlevy77 View Post
 

Just to clear some  things up.  The Bonafide, Cochise and bodacious are the only skis in the blizzard line that got the new carbon fiber flipcore for 2016.  The main reason for this switch is because the carbon lightens the tip/tail and helps to dampen the ski.  The only skis that this would really benefit were the wider skis in the blizzard line because they could get unstable at speed. The Brahma was kept the same because it was so great as it was it didn't really need the improvement.  Id take this with a grain of salt, but that's what my blizzard rep told me at my shops demo.

 

It was reported in this thread that Ski Magazine claims Blizzard tweaked the tip and made the Brahma less demanding for 2016...I guess Ski Mag. is wrong, then.

post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by DanoT View Post
 

 

It was reported in this thread that Ski Magazine claims Blizzard tweaked the tip and made the Brahma less demanding for 2016...I guess Ski Mag. is wrong, then.

Maybe they made changes over the summer, last  spring was when I lat spoke to  my Blizzard   rep, ill ask him  about it.

post #16 of 19

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Originally Posted by DanoT View Post
 

 

It was reported in this thread that Ski Magazine claims Blizzard tweaked the tip and made the Brahma less demanding for 2016...I guess Ski Mag. is wrong, then.

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Originally Posted by Jonlevy77 View Post
 

Maybe they made changes over the summer, last  spring was when I lat spoke to  my Blizzard   rep, ill ask him  about it.

 

Ski mag was wrong. I also spoke to the Blizzard rep last spring and he said no change to the Brahma. Changes are not made in the summer, the new skis are already well into the manufacturing cycle for the upcoming year in the summer.

post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by ckck View Post
 

Can anyone tell me if the 2016 Blizzard Brahma is the same as the 2015? I demoed 2015's and loved them, but the shop only had 2016's and said they were the same, just cosmetic changes. Just want to verify before mounting. Thanks

Correctamundo, same ski with new and improved graphics. 

As I said waaaaay back in February. No changes. Also confirmed by the U.S. Product Manager. NO CHANGES. Yes, Ski Magazine made a mistake, no biggy, move on. Don't demand a fund on your subscription, don't blast them on Facebook, don't contact your congressman. 

post #18 of 19

Picked up a pair of 14/15 Brahmas at the end of last season. Haven't had much of a chance to ski on them on any surface other than ice, golf balls, frozen ruts, and some gravel until today.  Finally got on snow that was mostly snow and was able to get them up to a speed where they could start to perform.  I don't have much frame of reference since I haven't skied competitive models, but they worked very well for me.  Key characteristic is their ease of turning and stability.  Very neutral as in you don't need to do much to initiate a turn other than stay in the front of the boot and apply the required amount of pressure to tighten up or loosen up the turn radius.  They don't get knocked around by normal lumps and bumps and are very comfortable when going pretty fast. I bet they're comfortable going very fast, but I haven't done that yet.

I'm 6', 180 lbs.  Ski size is 180.  Warden bindings and Scarpa Maestrale RS boots with an alpine foam liner.

Other skis that I own and like: 4 year old Blizzard Kabookie 180, 15/16 Fischer Ranger 98ti 180. Limited time on these so far. Set up as my touring ski.  

post #19 of 19

Interesting to run into this post several months later and now knowing Blizzard did indeed add the carbon to tip and tail.

 

I just demo'd 2016 Brahma (had never been on one before), and really loved it (tried the 180, i'm 5'11" and about 175#, ski mostly in northeast)  When I wanted to carve, it felt fairly close to its length, and when I wanted to pivot and/or do controlled skidded turns, it felt shorter/playful in a good way.  I also found it to be surprisingly light overall and in swing weight despite the fact that it had plenty of stability under speed.  

 

Chatted with a guy at the shop as I was returning the skis, and he commented he's tried the 2017 version, and prefers the 2016 (and essentially about 4 models before that as he said they were essentially left unchanged during those years).  He felt that the carbon tips made the skis slightly chattery and took away some of the dampness you get from the 2016 model under speed.  Of course depending on the level and the style of skier you are, I'm sure the opinion may change (And I sure would like to try them out even just out of curiosity).  But the 2016 version seems like a great buy, especially now that they're selling at lesser price(s).


Edited by catalystman80 - 3/3/16 at 8:15am
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