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Dodge carbon fiber boots, new 2014-15 version

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I got a pair of the new design Dodge ski boots.  I really like them.  I like precision in my movements, and the Dodge boots give me that.  All their advertising about more precision, more feel, more power, less fatigue, more lateral & torsional stiffness, better chatter absorption, no flex change with temperature change--well, it all feels true to me.  I have seven days in them, and I've never skied better.  For the first time I can carve a 180° arc.  They feel secure starting off straight down a steep and curving out of the fall line.  And, at the end of the day, my gimpy knee doesn't hurt.

 

Kind'a a pain sending them back to the factory in Vermont for adjustments.  They're pricey, but at my age, these are the last ski boots I'll buy.  They work, work great, for me.  I'm glad I bought them.

http://dodgeskiboots.com/

 

 

Dodge sez:

  • New 102mm wide last in addition to our regular 98 mm last
  • New Women's model, with higher volume cuff
  • New carbon fiber composite lower material
    • Resists blemishes from punching and even banging your feet together
    • Provides superior damping
    • Conforms better to the foot
    • Easier to get into/out of
  • New liner
    • Easier to get into/out of
    • New last shape for more toe room and comfort
    • Neoprene toe box to stretch for more toe comfort
    • Real wool around the toes for more warmth, even when wet
    • Better snow seal on the instep
  • New lighter-weight buckles
  • New more durable sole plates
  • New outer tongue and inner snow seal to keep out water

And, we've made the performance even smoother on super hard aggressive snow!

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post #2 of 13

Thank you for this review.  I have added the product page for this boot into our system.

 

I have to say though, it made me chuckle that the tagline for this boot is - And, we've made the performance even smoother on super hard aggressive snow!

 

And the review is written by Softsnowguy:D

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Kind'a a pain sending them back to the factory in Vermont for adjustments.

 

Thanks for the review. I have the 2012-2013 Dodges and I agree the performance of these boots are stellar.  Mine were fit in person at an authorized Dodge boot fitter. I needed a custom foot bed, shell punching in several spots and boot sole canting. I was also fitted with an Intuition liner. Since then Dodge has switched to direct to consumer sales and online fitting.

 

Did you go through Dodge's online fitting process? Can you tell us in more detail how the entire fitting process went and what kind of fitting work was done? Thanks.

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  They're pricey, but at my age, these are the last ski boots I'll buy. 

 

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I kinda smiled at the thought of "last boot I'll ever buy". Never say "always" or "never".:D A strange concept in the Epic culture of newer and better.

 

Good luck with them and  please revisit this thread and let us know how they perform over time. The Dodge boot is a great technology that not been able to break into the mainstream of boot suppliers.

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 Did you go through Dodge's online fitting process? Can you tell us in more detail how the entire fitting process went and what kind of fitting work was done? Thanks.

I sent tracings of my feet with length & width measurements and photos from several angles to Dodge.  If I'd had a shop nearby with a Brannock foot measuring device calibrated in Mondo points, I would have included that info.  I followed that with a phone call.  We all know how so many boots are sold too big & comfy, and they wanted to fit me as small as possible.  I was previously in Nordica Dobermann 130, size UK10 (28.5 or 29), and they fit as good as I could expect.  Not too long nor too wide.  Anyway, Bill at Dodge reduced the size to 27.5.  Tried them on for almost a minute, and packaged them to mail back.  The 28.5 Dodges have a very good length, and the 98 mm width is good with one punch out.  My feet are medium width with narrow heels & ankles.  Bill provided foam padding on the ankles between the liner & shell, and a foam tongue shim worked to make these fit.  I added 1/16" thick Bontex fiber insoles under my existing custom footbeds to take up space.  I needed one little toe & 5th metatarsal region punched out.  Dodge uses a punch with the heating element inside the punch.  Most of us are pretty knowledgeable about how our boots should fit and what add-on make things better, so what I did at home was a help.  I also moved some buckles to alternated screw holes to get them right for me, and got buckles with shorter bales for other spots.

 

Dodge buys an Italian made liner with a special stretch zone where the heel slides in the channel in the boot while putting the boot on.  The liners are labeled one size bigger than the shell--a 29.5 liner fits their 28.5 shell.  Anyway, all good.

 

http://brannock.com/cgi-bin/htmlos.cgi/006241.4.747766655400016230

 

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 I kinda smiled at the thought of "last boot I'll ever buy". Never say "always" or "never".:D A strange concept in the Epic culture of newer and better.

I hand carry my boots on planes, so even the airline can't lose them.  I don't think I'll see any boots that are better, or at least not a major step better like these are now.  I'm sticking with these.  With luck I might ski ten more years, and these boots will get the job done very well.  They can be made softer by cutting down part of the lower shell but can't be made stiffer.  As I get older, I may soften them--we'll see.

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Thanks for sharing the fitting experience. Were you happy with the fitting experience?  How would you describe your boot fit? Performance or comfort? How much extra room is there when shell fit?

 

My Dodges are 25 w/ a 26 liner. I originally tried the 26 which were tight in the shop, but not painful. I ultimately went with a size 25 which shell fits with about 10 mm extra space. It took a lot of punching to get the fit right.

 

I'm just the opposite of you, I just got these boots, but I'm already thinking ahead to my next pair :) 


Edited by smackboy1 - 3/6/15 at 2:17pm
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Out of curiosity, what was the price all-in?
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I'm curious about the stiffness of these boots - more specifically, if they can be made not-too-stiff.

 

In my case, I've had a double tib & fib fracture and now have a titanium rod through the length of my tibia in my right leg.  The lower fracture point is just below a boot cuff, and the upper fracture point is just below my knee.

 

With stiffer boots, when I lean into the inside cuff & sometimes the tongue, a stiff boot really hurts the fracture point (not a padding issue, a stiffness of the boot issue).   I've been on Dalbello Krypton Rampage boots with custom canting & footbed, and they have been fine.  But they have about 300 days of skiing on them, so I recently bought Dalbello IL Moro with intuition liner, and after a couple hours, the lower fracture point is in a lot of pain - this boot is too stiff.  I'm hoping it is a break-in issue, but I fear I just bought the wrong boot (too stiff).

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I'm curious about the stiffness of these boots - more specifically, if they can be made not-too-stiff. . .

 

With stiffer boots, when I lean into the inside cuff & sometimes the tongue, a stiff boot really hurts the fracture point (not a padding issue, a stiffness of the boot issue).   I've been on Dalbello Krypton Rampage boots with custom canting & footbed, and they have been fine.  But they have about 300 days of skiing on them, so I recently bought Dalbello IL Moro with intuition liner, and after a couple hours, the lower fracture point is in a lot of pain - this boot is too stiff.  I'm hoping it is a break-in issue, but I fear I just bought the wrong boot (too stiff).


Difficult to make stiffness comparisons across different brands. I've been told by skiers who have skied both Dodge and Head that the Dodges are similarly stiff to the Raptor B2 RD at 150 flex, albeit with lower weight and constant stiffness across all temperatures. The Dodges can be modified to ski a bit less stiff.

 

Also, I don't ski the Dodges tightly buckled up like a vise. I have the lower and middle buckle just tight enough to hold my foot and heel in place. I route the Booster strap under the shell, over the liner, and cinch it down to the level of "stiffness" I want. The top buckle is buckled loosely or sometimes not at all. The forward flex in the boot becomes very progressive and my shins never bang up to the cuff of the boot.

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Originally Posted by SportyandMisty View Post
 

I've been on Dalbello Krypton Rampage boots with custom canting & footbed, and they have been fine.  But they have about 300 days of skiing on them, so I recently bought Dalbello IL Moro with intuition liner, and after a couple hours, the lower fracture point is in a lot of pain - this boot is too stiff.  I'm hoping it is a break-in issue, but I fear I just bought the wrong boot (too stiff).

The Intuition lovers will be all over me on this one, but your problem could be liner, not boot, stiffness.

 

Food for thought, anyway.

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I'm an Intuition lover, and don't necessarily disagree. Dalbello's ID is a slightly softer - still moderately stiff - Power Wrap. That's going to add 8-10 pts of stiffness IME. OTOH, the PW design actually allows more leverage against the tongue that should take stress off the fracture point. 


Ideas: Dalbello makes several different flex tongues, each designated by a letter (A, B, etc) on the inside. You could swap your tongues out for a softer one. Also, you can change the delta on the boot to realign your lower leg. Finally, I tended to ski with the velcro pretty loose on my Dalbello tops; the ID top is more than enough without more stiffening. 

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Dodge boots are manufactured at a 150 flex and are customized to any flex between 90 and 150 depending upon the customer's requirements. But, remember the flex does not change with temperature. A Dodge 150 flex will be softer than most 130 flex boots at temps below 20 deg F. The forward lean angle is also adjustable and has a big effect on the feel of the stiffness.

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The flex is customized to the customer's needs anywhere from 90 to 150. Our 150 flex is similar to most top end race boots at 20 deg F. At lower temperatures they are softer. For example our 150 would be similar to most 110 flex boots at -10deg F.

Dave D - Dodge Ski Boots founder

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