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post #1 of 17
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Hey folks,

 

I just had a great time demoing skis at Northstar Tahoe yesterday.  Was surprised to find, however, that I enjoyed the 'Frontside' RTM 84 more than the Volkl Kendo and the Blizzard Brahma.   Yesterday was all about ice in the morning and slush in the afternoon.  I was groomer and moguling my day away.

 

I was actually about 50-50 on the RTM/Kendo situation until I did moguls with the Kendo.  Not sure if it was the ski or the fact that I was pretty tired by that Kendo mogul run, however.  For me, the Brahma just felt less energetic.   The RTM, on the flip side, just felt springy or poppy at the end of each turn (sorry, lacking ski vocab here) and just a ton of fun to carve any size curve that I could muster.  

 

SO, I'm starting to think frontside ski, and maybe grab a powder ski later on.   Hell, I don't even know how to ski powder (though I'd love to) and it's not like we're getting any in Tahoe anyway.  I'd love to know what other skis I might like to demo now that I'm sort of resigned to ignoring those Crazy 88s (I'd still like to try a Dynastar Powdertrack 89...based on SJ's claims of it being a great Tahoe ski.)

 

Any 88 that I should maybe revisit before abandoning a 1 ski quiver?

Any other skis that give that sort of energetic feeling at the end of a turn?  

What would the RTM 84 felt like in a longer size...the tallest I had was 176(177?)

 

About me:

215 lbs, 5'11". Skis Tahoe exclusively.   Always been a Groomer guy, though recently discovering *and enjoying* the bumps.   Took a lesson at Northstar, and the instructor called me a 7 on the Epicmix Academy/Vail scale from 1-9.   I'd probably go off piste more if I had the right technique and gear, but it would really depend on who I was skiing with as much as anything else.  Groomed black diamonds, no problem...but Kirkwood's Wall was a mistake. I don't mind speed if the run isn't crowded and the right ski is beneath me.  

 

Oh, I have Lange RX 130 boots, like em, right foot is perfect, left may need some work to get just exactly perfect.

 

 

So talk to me...what to demo next??   I want to get up there and be armed and dangerous if/when shops start discounting this year's skis that are <90 in the waist.

 

 

(btw, if you have the option to demo multiple skis in a day, do it...it's a blast.  especially as conditions change.)

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post #2 of 17
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oh, and first time poster.  ; )   Thank you all, I've been enjoying reading the forum this past month.

post #3 of 17

Mark,

 

Glad you are enjoying your experience here and glad you had a good time at Northstar demoing skis. The demoing scene is going to to tough this time of year with the stand alone shops being hesitant in sending product out but at this time of year, are you looking for possibly getting this years ski or are you considering waiting till next year and starting the demo process over again? Do you have to demo or are you willing to trust some opinions from our select peanut gallery? Since you are skiing Northstar, I am sure either @Trekchick or myself could get out and make some turns with you and help you narrow down the decision process. 

 

Phil

post #4 of 17

Hi Mark,  Welcome to EpicSki, and welcome back to skiing! 

Its fun getting the vibe back isn't it? 

 

I'll be in the shop at True North, next to the demo center in the village if you want to stop by this morning for some ideas. 

I'll be in 8-12:00

post #5 of 17
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@ Phil, I'm happy to trust the peanut gallery,   I'd run with some of the 'Front Side Review' articles that I see everywhere, though I'd love to have a more Tahoe-centric perspective.   I'd probably demo if possible, though if I found the hopping deal, I might buy based on recommendation rather than wait til next year to start over.

 

Sadly, Trekchic, I'm back in the Bay Area.  Next trip not til the first weekend in March, and South Shore.

 

I'm really fired up to have finally felt the feedback that those volkls had.  Where the end of each turn made me fired up to get on to the other edge and do it all over again, if you know what I mean...I think that's my primary want.  Secondary, something that doesn't suck in the bumps cause sometimes, you just need (or want) to take that run.  ; )

 

thanks folks!

post #6 of 17
Thread Starter 

More Demo Days to be had.

 

 

Continued...2 Days at Heavenly.  
 

Day 1 - Heavenly Sport Demo...spent the day with my then fav RTM 84.   Found one in 181.  Was happy all day.

 

Day 2 - Tahoe Powder House...morning and lesson with Dynastar Powdertrack 89.  Afternoon swapped for Blizzard Latigo.   Probably did that backwards, but the lesson was on bumps, and I wanted to get back out there and see the difference between an all mountain and a narrow waisted ski.

 

SADLY, the difference was with my legs...I was pretty tired by the time I put those Latigos on, but WOW.   I think I want to spend an entire day on the Latigo.   This is a ski that wants to move.   I really liked the Dynastars, too, though they may have been too short to really give it the pepsi challenge.

 

 

If I were to rank those I've demoed so far:

 

1)  Latigo (177)?  (again that I was tired caveat.)

2) RTM 84 (181) tied with the Dynastar (172)

3) Kendo

4) Brahma

 

 

So, the questions come.

 

1)  Why do I like the Latigo and dislike the Brahma.   Conditions?   Fresh off a ski lesson and in a better form?   Does the Brahma deserve another look?   It isn't the width, as I liked the Dynastar and the Kendo wasn't bad.

 

2) Since I like both the RTM 84 and the Latigo, would the RTM 81 give me the best of both?

 

3) Since the Dynastar was pretty short, how might they have impacted my day had they been >180s?

 

 

 

 

 

Shout out to Powder House when at Heavenly.  I'll demo here whenever I'm in south shore from now on...great selection of Demo skis...only rub is you have to come all the way down the mountain to swap skis.   Ski instructor is also a boot fitter there.  When taking lessons at Heavenly, ask for Pat.  (Oh, and Greg gets the Northstar props.)   I admit it, I'm a ski lesson junkie.

 

 

Cheers!

M

post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by Mark Gallagher View Post
 

More Demo Days to be had.

 

 

 

So, the questions come.

 

1)  Why do I like the Latigo and dislike the Brahma.   Conditions?   Fresh off a ski lesson and in a better form?   Does the Brahma deserve another look?   It isn't the width, as I liked the Dynastar and the Kendo wasn't bad.

 

2) Since I like both the RTM 84 and the Latigo, would the RTM 81 give me the best of both?

 

3) Since the Dynastar was pretty short, how might they have impacted my day had they been >180s?

 

 

Shout out to Powder House when at Heavenly.  I'll demo here whenever I'm in south shore from now on...great selection of Demo skis...only rub is you have to come all the way down the mountain to swap skis.   Ski instructor is also a boot fitter there.  When taking lessons at Heavenly, ask for Pat.  (Oh, and Greg gets the Northstar props.)   I admit it, I'm a ski lesson junkie.

 

 

Cheers!

M

1. Three things, it could have been the tune. The Latigo is a bit softer than the Brahma but I think it cold have been the quickness in the edge to edge feel with the Latigo being 78mm and the Brahma being 88mm uderfoot

 

2. The RTM 81 is stiffer than the 84 and more hard snow biased

 

3. Maybe the 179 Powertrack 89 could be a choice for you.

 

You can demo forever but if you are going to buy, you will need to make a decisions. It sounds like you struck oil with the Latigo, why not just purchase it? It is a great choice. Also none of these skis are going to do everything, ou will eventually want to add a ski for soft days and can cross that bridge when you get there. 

post #8 of 17
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Noooooo!   Not a decision! :)  Pretty sure I'm wrestling a Powertrack v Latigo argument, or slightly more versatility vs bigger smiles on the groomers.   

 

Phil, I'm a heavy guy at 215.   With that knowledge, would you still stay on the 179 Dynastar vs the 186?   I'm good either way, but merely curious.

 

Thanks for the guidance.

post #9 of 17
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99% sure I'm going to go the dynastar and then a wider ski If california ever gets snow again. My sense with latigo was that I'd have to be agreesive 24/7 and sometimes I just want to cruise.

215 lbs...5'11"... What size?

Any binding at that width fine?


(Holy shit, a decision.)
post #10 of 17
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So much for 99%. Just bought the latigos. Thanks for the guidance folks.
post #11 of 17
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So much for 99%. Just bought the latigos. Thanks for the guidance folks.


Good ski.  You'll have fun on it. 

post #12 of 17
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So much for 99%. Just bought the latigos. Thanks for the guidance folks.


At first I liked the Brahma but then tried the Latigo after and went with those. They are great, you will enjoy :)

post #13 of 17
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So much for 99%. Just bought the latigos. Thanks for the guidance folks.


At first I liked the Brahma but then tried the Latigo after and went with those. They are great, you will enjoy smile.gif
in some cases, the LatiGo is a better Brahma.
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 ou will eventually want to add a ski for soft days and can cross that bridge when you get there. 

didn't think that soft ski need would come so soon. Skied Northstar last Monday and also Christmas. Would have liked that soft day ski those days. Latigos were perfect on the 26th, though (did I mention that I love this ski) 

 

Time to start demoing the next ski in the quiver, if (when?) conditions allow?  What's the best complimentary category for Tahoe? I'm going to guess something in a high 90mm to low 100s? 

 

Thanks again folks!

post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 ou will eventually want to add a ski for soft days and can cross that bridge when you get there. 

didn't think that soft ski need would come so soon. Skied Northstar last Monday and also Christmas. Would have liked that soft day ski those days. Latigos were perfect on the 26th, though (did I mention that I love this ski) 

 

Time to start demoing the next ski in the quiver, if (when?) conditions allow?  What's the best complimentary category for Tahoe? I'm going to guess something in a high 90mm to low 100s? 

 

Thanks again folks!


Stop by True North and we'll give you some ideas on a good demo ski. 

post #16 of 17
I skied my motive 95s at N* on 26th. A great ski, and great for those conditions.
post #17 of 17

I really liked the Latigo on the front side at Breck.  I skiied it last year and it definitely was easier to turn than a K2 Pinnacle 95 I demo'ed this year in Vail.

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