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Will new liners do anything for me?

post #1 of 18
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Currently in tecnica demon 110's 25.5 mondo. Have had shells stretched twice, ground once. custom orthotics from bootfitter who fit present. Still big pressure on big toe (I think the toe is sensitive and it feels like it's stretching the neoprene to its limit), as well as a couple hotspots on met heads and instep. After removing and wearing the liner without the shell it seems to be squeezing all these places quite tight. Just remeasured the shell fit and it's 5/8ths of an inch (1.6 cm)

 

Would something like an intuition dreamliner alleviate some of the discomfort? Talked to one of their reps and they recommended a 25.0 mondo because of the extra toe room it has (yay toe room!) and an MV volume based on the shell fit. The nearest retailer that carries them is 3 hours away so should I pull the trigger and buy them direct?

post #2 of 18

That would be a negatory good buddy.  Waste of money as would be a Zipfit.  Unlikely your problems are liner related.  you need access to someone more familiar with shell punching.

 

Lou

post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 

Ahh I'm really nervous about putting any more room in the shell (even though it's two sizes smaller than my street shoe.) On the liners is it then normal for them to be painfully tight if I'm wearing them around outside of their shells? That's how I arrived at my anti-liner hypothesis after-all.

post #4 of 18

Just curious---do you have large calves, if so , measure the circumference at the top of the liner for me.  Big calves will lever against the top of the  back of the shell and push your feet forward in the shell-----read "Toe Bang" here.

 

mike

post #5 of 18
Thread Starter 
Actually I have enormous calves. I'll let you know when I get home but that's a really really good thought. Any fixes in mind if true?
post #6 of 18
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The more I think about this the more plausable its sounding. I have tiny feet and huge calves. Toe bang increases as the day goes but I also get bruised shins from staying so forwards. There's a plastic shim velcroed onto the back of the stock liners. I wonder if I should remove it or try to find a thinner shim to replace it with.
post #7 of 18

     For each inch of circumference a persons calf increases the shin/knees will be pushed Forward by 8.1 cm. For sure take out the spoiler/shim.  Burning Quads????

 

     If you are in a smaller shell, this is accentuated even more by the fact that manufacturers put the same amount/angle of forward lean in each size run of a boot model, so that as the boot get shorter the boots center moves rearward relative to the boots cuff.  

 

get back to me with the circumference.

 

mike

post #8 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quads feel okay except for long runs in the bumps but I'm guessing that's normal. I think the fitters may have adjusted the lean on the cuff. I know they adjusted the canting and it did wonders for my right turns hahaha.I am oddly proportioned between huge calves and small feet though.
post #9 of 18

     Burning quads????  It might be that you have gotten into such good shape that they don't burn any longer, sadly that equates to you waisting a great deal of energy :mad.

 

I will be interested to see how big your calves are.

 

     There is a sweet spot (home base) that our ski boots should return us to (fore/aft) as we exit the loaded part of the turn, just prior the initiating the next turn---if our boots have too much (or too little) forward lean, we will compensate for this short coming----no fun.

 

      There are almost no boots on the market with enough fore/aft lean adjustment to accommodate the wide range of calf size in the adult population

 

 

mike


Edited by miketsc - 2/18/15 at 11:46am
post #10 of 18
Thread Starter 

Well it's funny you should bring up quads and what shape their in because this is what mine looks like now.

 

That callous around a point in the femur is bone reforming from a little accident I had in november.

 

 

They had to snip the quad during the surgery so for the past few months I've had to build the muscle back up from nothing. I plan on skiing next month so I'm trying to fix all of last season's foot pain problems. I expect my quads will be given quite the workout either way.

 

Here's my big ol' calf at work.

 

...And the shim I was talking about on the back of the liners

post #11 of 18

OUCH!!!

 

Please measure the circumference of your Calves at the top of the liner---we might be able to help.

 

mike

post #12 of 18
Thread Starter 

Measuring from the top of the rear of the liner. 123 cm circumference. (48 in)


Edited by Nikoras - 2/18/15 at 4:57pm
post #13 of 18

perhaps I was misunderstood----please put the liner on your foot/leg and measure around your calf at the top of the liner.

 

mike

post #14 of 18
Thread Starter 

Rofl I measured from the wrong side of the tape and never stopped to think whether that number made sense or not. It's 27 cm.

post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by Nikoras View Post
 

Rofl I measured from the wrong side of the tape and never stopped to think whether that number made sense or not. It's 27 cm.

not sure what is going on---27cm would be a skinny calf, you said you had large calves, so is you calf muscle pushed above the top of the liner and you only have tendon in the boot?

 

mike

post #16 of 18
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Quote:
 

 so is you calf muscle pushed above the top of the liner and you only have tendon in the boot?

 

It appears that way.

post #17 of 18
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Nevermind I'm just an idiot that can't figure out how to work a tape measure, it's actually 39 cm (I just subtracted it from the max length last time when it was backwards, which turns out there's more unused tape after the 150 mark).

post #18 of 18

Now we are getting somewhere---your boots would have too much forward lean for your legs----I sent you a PM to give me a call, where are you located?

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