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Is that a Fogman???

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Sure is. Tried it at a demo last spring, couldn't resist any longer.
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Just went to the website.  Never seen anything like it before.  Is it as good (and easy) as it looks?

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Sure is. Tried it at a demo last spring, couldn't resist any longer.

The Fogman is similar to the TRIone.  Do you like the depth setup on the Fogman?  That's always been my hangup with that type of side edge disk grinder but Graham Lonetto uses one and he's a really good ski tuner.

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The depth is pretty easy to set. According to the instructions, only the front bearing should be rolling and the rest of the weight is supported by the ceramic disc. The first time I ran it I set it up like that and I had it too deep. The motor RPMs kept dropping and the ski got very hot as the leading edge of the disc was eating into the ski. Graham runs the machine flat so both bearings are moving. I tried it that way too, but felt like I could split the difference so I just put a zip lock baggie under the back bearing while setting the depth. So maybe a millimeter off the ski? It seems to be working pretty well this way. Just getting used to it, but it is easy enough that I let my 12-year old do her SL skis with it tonight.

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The depth is pretty easy to set. According to the instructions, only the front bearing should be rolling and the rest of the weight is supported by the ceramic disc. The first time I ran it I set it up like that and I had it too deep. The motor RPMs kept dropping and the ski got very hot as the leading edge of the disc was eating into the ski. Graham runs the machine flat so both bearings are moving. I tried it that way too, but felt like I could split the difference so I just put a zip lock baggie under the back bearing while setting the depth. So maybe a millimeter off the ski? It seems to be working pretty well this way. Just getting used to it, but it is easy enough that I let my 12-year old do her SL skis with it tonight.

Did you look at or try any others, like the SnowGlide or ProTek??  If you did, what was your reasoning for going with the Fogman over any of the others???

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Did you look at or try any others, like the SnowGlide or ProTek??  If you did, what was your reasoning for going with the Fogman over any of the others???


I didn't really look at the others, the manufacturer did a demo at the Sugar Slalom last year, plus there are two shops in town that support it. So I figured I'd go for it.

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Sparks!  Heat.  Have fun.  You will have a hard edge. 

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Sparks!  Heat.  Have fun.  You will have a hard edge. 

Now, Jacques, I know you think all these side edge disk grinders are the axis of all evil and if you even think one single positive thought about them, your soul will forever be lost to the dark side but if you could just open that mind of your's up just a tiny little bit, you MAYBE and that's a big maybe, would see these things are pretty sweet to use and the use of technology is ok once and awhile.  

So, fear not ole boy, as these machines are not looking to wreak havoc nor take over the world.  They won't steal the breath from babies as they sleep.  They don't have paralyzing mind control features and I promise, they will never steal the soul of a fine, old school hand tuner such as yourself.  And hey, you never know, if you ever tried it, you just mite like it, then we'd all start calling you Mikey.  Sooo come on, whatya say Jacques Ole boy, show a little love for the dark side, you'll get a whole new name and everything.  Look at the cool name Anakin Skywalker got when he came over to the dark side.:D:jedi::D

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Now, Jacques, I know you think all these side edge disk grinders are the axis of all evil and if you even think one single positive thought about them, your soul will forever be lost to the dark side but if you could just open that mind of your's up just a tiny little bit, you MAYBE and that's a big maybe, would see these things are pretty sweet to use and the use of technology is ok once and awhile.  

So, fear not ole boy, as these machines are not looking to wreak havoc nor take over the world.  They won't steal the breath from babies as they sleep.  They don't have paralyzing mind control features and I promise, they will never steal the soul of a fine, old school hand tuner such as yourself.  And hey, you never know, if you ever tried it, you just mite like it, then we'd all start calling you Mikey.  Sooo come on, whatya say Jacques Ole boy, show a little love for the dark side, you'll get a whole new name and everything.  Look at the cool name Anakin Skywalker got when he came over to the dark side.:D:jedi::D

:ROTFThumbs Up

 

So Mojo, Do you know how much the Fogman costs?

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:ROTFThumbs Up

 

So Mojo, Do you know how much the Fogman costs?

I believe they are right around $1300 complete ready to use but epic would know first hand since he's purchased one.

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Sparks!  Heat.  Have fun.  You will have a hard edge. 


There certainly can be some heat, depends on how deep you are cutting. They got hot fast when I was cutting too deep. They don't seem all that hot now. It also depends on how fast you move the machine. It's a fine line. I'm actually wondering if the stone might have a bit of a break-in period too. The tunes are getting better, I'm wondering how much us technique, and if some of it is break-in of the stone or not. And yeah, it was about $1300.

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There certainly can be some heat, depends on how deep you are cutting. They got hot fast when I was cutting too deep. They don't seem all that hot now. It also depends on how fast you move the machine. It's a fine line. I'm actually wondering if the stone might have a bit of a break-in period too. The tunes are getting better, I'm wondering how much us technique, and if some of it is break-in of the stone or not. And yeah, it was about $1300.

Don't think there is much break in the stone.  It's likely more you getting the feel of the machine.

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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 

Sparks!  Heat.  Have fun.  You will have a hard edge. 

Now, Jacques, I know you think all these side edge disk grinders are the axis of all evil and if you even think one single positive thought about them, your soul will forever be lost to the dark side but if you could just open that mind of your's up just a tiny little bit, you MAYBE and that's a big maybe, would see these things are pretty sweet to use and the use of technology is ok once and awhile.  

So, fear not ole boy, as these machines are not looking to wreak havoc nor take over the world.  They won't steal the breath from babies as they sleep.  They don't have paralyzing mind control features and I promise, they will never steal the soul of a fine, old school hand tuner such as yourself.  And hey, you never know, if you ever tried it, you just mite like it, then we'd all start calling you Mikey.  Sooo come on, whatya say Jacques Ole boy, show a little love for the dark side, you'll get a whole new name and everything.  Look at the cool name Anakin Skywalker got when he came over to the dark side.:D:jedi::D


Things have come quite a ways, still I must remain with files!  Hard is not bad if it has the right angles.  That's what she said anyway! 

 

I have run many a grinder.  I "grew-up" on a farm!  :beercheer:

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Sparks!  Heat.  Have fun.  You will have a hard edge. 


There certainly can be some heat, depends on how deep you are cutting. They got hot fast when I was cutting too deep. They don't seem all that hot now. It also depends on how fast you move the machine. It's a fine line. I'm actually wondering if the stone might have a bit of a break-in period too. The tunes are getting better, I'm wondering how much us technique, and if some of it is break-in of the stone or not. And yeah, it was about $1300.


Like any grinder, no matter how sweet, you will figure it out.  It's going to be the operator in charge!  You said it....technique!

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Really cool.

 

How is this different than building a jig for a Dremel or a router?

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Really cool.

 

How is this different than building a jig for a Dremel or a router?


If you have the skills it is probably not different. This is a Bosch tool of some kind. The body has been machined to allow the guide to slide on. I'm sure the stone is a specialized piece - I understand it is about $300 to replace. I know race service techs that do lots of skis and get a full year out of it, so I don't see replacing it any time soon in my case.

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Hmm, yesssss, verrrry niiiice ...

 

Of course like the second or third thing I would do is try it on a  Fischer Plasma Edge or one of those unrustable Atomics from the late '90s.  

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A few months in, this thing is great. All of my skis are as sharp as anything Hatori Hanzo ever made. Learning curve was pretty easy. I've learned to vary the depth a bit depending on the ski. I've been doing less and less finishing with stones as I don't think I really need to, but it's habit and I don't want any nasty surprises with a big burr. Oh yeah, I've also taken to wearing a particle mask, it just seems prudent.

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My experience using a grinder to sharpen is limited to woodworking tools, garden tools, etc. I hand sharpen my skis. I have learned that it is ridiculously easy to ruin the temper of steel when dry grinding at high speed. (For my good woodworking tools I use a slow speed water cooled grinding wheel.) I don't know about how ski edges are tempered and the speed of the frogman and in the video the tool is moved pretty fast, but I would suggest taking off as little as possible per pass, and if the edge is too hot to touch you're moving too slow or taking off too much or both. If anyone knows better re this particular tool and use please correct me.

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