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post #31 of 44
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Tons in Edmonton in our Masters slalom program. Almost split 50/50 between Rossi Hero's and Fischer RC4's, with the odd race Stockli or Head.

 

I've been surprised how good race skis are for free skiing on hard snow.

A place I've seen a lot of the Hero skis, both sl and gs, was at the early season race training at Copper for National teams (and also development and various club and school teams later).  There were a lot of Hero skis, alot - first time I'd seen them.   And on the lifts the Hero people I asked said they loved the skis.  They were apparently popular with racers, coaches, gate setters, ski techs, race families, etc.  I wasn't too discerning about which models were most popular, but I made a mental note to at some point check Rosi Heroes out.  

post #32 of 44

I did put a few runs in on the Rossi Hero ST this year.  

 

What I enjoyed was the easier flex; the ski doesn't need to be driven hard to make a really short turn, like the typical 13 m SL ski.  In terms of radius and flex it is perfect for short hills.  I also enjoyed that you could get lots of pop out of it if you did lean it way over hard at a decent (for a SL ski) speed. 

 

What I did not enjoy was the early rise tip.   If you want a ski to mask whether your turn initiations are good and make it harder to learn how to carve pure arc-2-arc turns without starting out with a smear, this is your ski. 

 

Early rise and tip rocker have no place in a ski designed for hard-pack skiing.  Other opinions welcome. YMMV and all that.

post #33 of 44
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Early rise and tip rocker have no place in a ski designed for hard-pack skiing.

+ Infinity.

post #34 of 44

There were some really good young racers at Copper today, doing training downhill, then an SG course, then a gs course.   Getting both training and points.  

 

I went up the lift with several of them throughout the day, and sure enough, the first one was on Hero skis - FIS SG skis, in his case.  He told me these were his practice and lap skis - his course skis were already up at the starting line.

There were, once again, lots of Hero skis around, of different models.  Long downhill versions, FIS qualifying versions, GS and SG versions, and probably slalom also (for another day, since the world class course at Copper isn't slalom).  

They were national junior racers (top national 16 to 19 year olds, I was told, I believe) who were top 15 or so in their regionals, or highest point totals nationally, or qualifying with Nor Am points.  The best not only of this country, but of a number of participating countries.  Again, lots of Hero skis. 

post #35 of 44

Rossi's and Volkl's are this season's hot skis among younger racers. Seems as if Head has drifted downward a hair, Atomic and Fischer are holding steady, but Elan, Nordica, Blizzard, Dynastar have fallen off the map. Obviously these ratios change as the racers age. 

post #36 of 44
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Early rise and tip rocker have no place in a ski designed for hard-pack skiing.  Other opinions welcome. YMMV and all that.

Yeah, guess MMV. I might have bought into that before technique began to evolve. Particularly in SL, no one carves a complete turn anymore. The early rise helps get into the stivot, and nothing gets finished anyway; gotta get to the other side. Even in GS, for all humans except Ted Shred, the longer radii are encouraging stivot initiations, which early rise helps. It also feels a lot better in badly rutted or soft courses, IME.

 

As my coach used to say to me as I stubbornly carved away, you're looking too pretty to be fast...

post #37 of 44

Well, yes if you are in a race course and need an edge to make stivoting easier, then by all means get what works for you.  You gotta do what you gotta do.  If you're making your own turns on the hill instead of turns designed to challenge the equipment specs, then get what works best for that situation (i.e. Fischer WC SC/RC).


Edited by Ghost - 3/2/15 at 7:46pm
post #38 of 44

^^^^^ Agree fully. Was speaking about courses, for sure. 

post #39 of 44
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Early rise and tip rocker have no place in a ski designed for hard-pack skiing.  Other opinions welcome. YMMV and all that.

Might be, but obviously quite lot of people designing skis disagree, as most of current World cup GS skis (real race skis not cheaters) have tip rocker :)

post #40 of 44

USSA U-18 National Ski Championships 2015.  That's what it is up at Copper now.   Based on the most casual recollections, Head still seemed #1, followed by Atomic #2, and then Rossi Heroes, Volkls and Fischers in that order.  Maybe Blizzard next.  Not sure.  

 

Those young guys were good, looked strong, some of em future stars, hopefully.  Standouts.  

post #41 of 44

  Last year I was able to demo quite a few skis.  I am pretty sure that the Rossignol hero elite sl was in that bunch.  It really didn't stand out on its own to me.   I know that only a few skis really stood out in my mind, the Blizzard and a Fischer slalom.  I don't remember which Blizzard I skied, but it was tempting.  The Blizzard had a ton of energy and was around 70m under foot so a bit wider.  I know the side cut was around that 14 m mark so not quite a slalom ski.  The reason that ski was so much fun was the energy it had.  I could pop that ski into the air if I really jammed on it.  The Fischer stood out because I have never been on a ski that carves like it does.  I have demo'd 155, 165, and the 165 FIS Fischer then purchased the FIS slalom.  The Fischer FIS slalom is like no other ski I have ever been on.  Tons of energy and likes to be thrown into turn after turn.  It will wear you out in a matter of a few runs but can be skied with less energy.  The biggest difference I think is the way it flexes under your foot, its like nothing I have ever felt.  I know from the demos that none of the slalom skis did anything bad at all.  It was more a personal preference on how the Fischer felt to me.  Every slalom ski was quite good as I have only skied GS skis and a few all around skis.  It was also suggested to try the fischer progressor as a shorter turn ski but I have yet to demo that ski.  

 

  Either way I have to agree with others for daily skiing most people do not use race skis.  They can be great fun but belong in a course.  At the end of the year I ended up purchasing a Rossignol Hero Master, but I race.  My idea of getting the skis I purchased was more around putting them into a course.  If you race it makes sense, but if not there are cheaper and better all around skis.  Both of the skis I have are a blast but take a ton of energy to utilize.  They are very specific to shaving time off in a course.  That doesn't mean you can't have fun with them free skiing.  It is just overkill for the conditions and there are better options. 

post #42 of 44
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Rossi's and Volkl's are this season's hot skis among younger racers. Seems as if Head has drifted downward a hair, Atomic and Fischer are holding steady, but Elan, Nordica, Blizzard, Dynastar have fallen off the map. Obviously these ratios change as the racers age. 

And by region. Blizzard is pretty well represented out this way.
post #43 of 44
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My idea of getting the skis I purchased was more around putting them into a course.  If you race it makes sense, but if not there are cheaper and better all around skis.  Both of the skis I have are a blast but take a ton of energy to utilize.  They are very specific to shaving time off in a course.  That doesn't mean you can't have fun with them free skiing.  It is just overkill for the conditions and there are better options. 

IMHO, the Hero Master is a stunning ski in or out of the gates and in fact, there are very few better options for a technical piste ski. Give me a Hero Master amny day of the week vs a Blizzard Brahma, etc... Even in our area, a Hero Master and E100 would make a ripping two ski quiver. Add a Squad 7 for deep days, and you'd have a great one manufacturer 3 ski quiver. smile.gif
post #44 of 44
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And by region. Blizzard is pretty well represented out this way.

 

  I work where we have a Fischer rep, on a youth race day that is almost all you see. 

 

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 IMHO, the Hero Master is a stunning ski in or out of the gates and in fact, there are very few better options for a technical piste ski. Give me a Hero Master amny day of the week vs a Blizzard Brahma, etc... Even in our area, a Hero Master and E100 would make a ripping two ski quiver. Add a Squad 7 for deep days, and you'd have a great one manufacturer 3 ski quiver. smile.gif

 

 Love my Hero Master its a very enjoyable ski. After teaching I almost always switch to them. It's fun to rip down the runs with those, however I live in the midwest and have not been to a large area yet with them.   The Masters just have a very solid feel and so much energy.  This year I hope to get to a few larger areas and will report back after. 

 I have heard some good things about the Nordica Dobermann, and the Fischer Masters as well.  You almost can't go wrong in this area.  I tried the Volkl UVO GS cheater as well and liked it. Quite honestly how can you have a bad day on a slope, unless something breaks?  If I move to the west will have to check out the Squad 7.
 

 

  If you really want a good all around race ski that is quick turning but not a GS master, or slalom ski...  I would suggest checking out the Atomic Doubledeck 3.0 xt it is a 15.5m radius at 175cm.  The Atomic is very easy to initialize turns and doesn't seem to me to prefer short or long turns.  I am sure some will argue that point but it felt more like an all around ski to me.

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