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Mikela's altered SL skis

post #1 of 18
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I never noticed this before, but between runs at the WC SL, I noticed that the topsheets of her FIS skis have some kind of overlay strip above the outside edges.  It's kind of hidden because the Atomic top sheet logo covers these strips,  but they kind of look man-made since there isn't a perfect straight edge to them.  Look closely below the tip protectors.  Almost looks like some kind of damping strips.  Anyone ever seen these before?  Also looks like she nailed her chin guard - SL is brutal.

post #2 of 18

Sometimes they do that to keep the gates from smashing the top sheets and delamming the skis.

post #3 of 18

Just fancy gate guards for the skis. Normally they are black adhesive strips. Atomic probably made them so they'd match the ski.

post #4 of 18
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Umm, I wonder if they might have helped me this year. In October I bought the Atomic doubledeck 3.0 SL's.  Free skied on them once in November, trained for about an hour with'em in early January and an afternoon of training the following weekend.  Delaminated right at the rocker point - and I am too old to brutalize skis.  Sent them back on Martin Luther King day and found out today that Atomic doesn't have any left in the 159cm.  I really loved them for the small amount of time I got to ski them - they're light, quick, held on the ice and have good pop...bummer.  At 5'8", 150lbs, mid-fifties, I don't think I could bend the FIS ski in beer league racing.  But I did get the Rossi Hero Elite ST at 162" last week figuring it was going to take weeks to replace and they seem close.

post #5 of 18
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Umm, I wonder if they might have helped me this year. In October I bought the Atomic doubledeck 3.0 SL's.  Free skied on them once in November, trained for about an hour with'em in early January and an afternoon of training the following weekend.  Delaminated right at the rocker point - and I am too old to brutalize skis.  Sent them back on Martin Luther King day and found out today that Atomic doesn't have any left in the 159cm.  I really loved them for the small amount of time I got to ski them - they're light, quick, held on the ice and have good pop...bummer.  At 5'8", 150lbs, mid-fifties, I don't think I could bend the FIS ski in beer league racing.  But I did get the Rossi Hero Elite ST at 162" last week figuring it was going to take weeks to replace and they seem close.


and there you have it....quite simply the non-FIS slaloms are just not built for running gates on a regular basis..

post #6 of 18

What I noticed are what looked like black strips of base material next to the edges on the bases of her skis (in the race coverage). Is that common nowadays? I can imagine some harder type of ptex perhaps to resist base burn?

post #7 of 18

Oisin, you they are inserts to avoid burning base next to edges. Nothing new, just that before you didn't really notice them on TV as they were sort of same color as rest of base.

post #8 of 18

There is an old adage in the ski racing world: if you block the gate into your skis, your line is late. That still holds true, for the most part: if a skier blocks a gate and it smacks into the skis, his/her line is off. Additionally, when a gate slams into a ski, it causes said ski to resonate and skid - not an ideal outcome.

 

That said, Mikaela has the neoprene guards on her skis to prevent delam. Perhaps it's a known issue with the build of her Atomic skis, or maybe it's just preventive maintenance. Whatever the case, kudos to Atomic for creating matching overlays for the guards.

post #9 of 18

The care taken to prevent delamination suggests that she has some skis which work very well for her and that these might not be  readily replaceable with other skis from her collection.

post #10 of 18
I did this in the Army, so my mind is always thinking this way anyways, but...

I'm definitely not saying it is the case here, but at this level of competition I'm always curious about what they are doing because it works, and what they are doing just to screw with the competition.
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by oisin View Post
 

The care taken to prevent delamination suggests that she has some skis which work very well for her and that these might not be  readily replaceable with other skis from her collection.

It suggest nothing of the kind!  Oisin............damn near every (not 100% but a high %)  racer I know for the last 15 -20 years including Mighty Mights (12 and under) uses foam strips on their slalom skis to protect them from the gates smashing them.   Granted her's are more aesthetically pleasing but.........................................................

 

You are just making stuff up! :rolleyes 

 

How about this.............She delam's the ski on the 3rd gate and has to ski the rest of the run on a effed up ski.  I am sure she has a perfectly fine 2nd pair at the start prepped and ready to roll!

 

But with her the foam protectors...it won't happen!


Edited by Atomicman - 2/19/15 at 11:30am
post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by songfta View Post
 

There is an old adage in the ski racing world: if you block the gate into your skis, your line is late. That still holds true, for the most part: if a skier blocks a gate and it smacks into the skis, his/her line is off. Additionally, when a gate slams into a ski, it causes said ski to resonate and skid - not an ideal outcome.

 

That said, Mikaela has the neoprene guards on her skis to prevent delam. Perhaps it's a known issue with the build of her Atomic skis, or maybe it's just preventive maintenance. Whatever the case, kudos to Atomic for creating matching overlays for the guards.

Thumbs UpThumbs Up:beercheer:

post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
 

It suggest nothing of the kind!  Oisin............damn near every (not 100% but a high %)  racer I know for the last 15 -20 years including Mighty Mights (12 and under) uses foam strips on their slalom skis to protect them from the gates smashing them.   Granted her's are more aesthetically pleasing but.........................................................

 

You are just making stuff up! :rolleyes 

 

How about this.............She delam's the ski on the 3rd gate and has to ski the rest of the run on a effed up ski.  I am sure she has a perfectly fine 2nd pair at the start prepped and ready to roll!

 

But with her the foam protectors...it won't happen!

Just speculating. I would go to the trouble of the foam strips and the aesthetic application if the skis were important to me (like my only pair!) but if I had 50-100 more just like them in the barn I wouldn't bother. 

 

How many top WC racers use this delam protection? Does anybody know?

post #14 of 18

Except those on Atomic? Pretty much noone ;) Which can mean two things... other skis don't get damanged that easily, or other companies can sort of reproduce their good pairs, while Atomic can't so you need to save your good pair:devil:Ok considering I know first part about making pair with same qualities again, is still not true, for any of companies, not just Atomic, I would assume that Atomic skis are more sensitive to these sort of damage, or some racers are just more paranoid then the rest.

post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post

It suggest nothing of the kind!  Oisin............damn near every (not 100% but a high %)  racer I know for the last 15 -20 years including Mighty Mights (12 and under) uses foam strips on their slalom skis to protect them from the gates smashing them.   Granted her's are more aesthetically pleasing but.........................................................

Something else I was thinking about too...

If I'm not careful ( and sometimes when I am ) in SL I'll jam my skis really close together and cut into the edge of the top sheet.

In my case it doesn't make much of a difference, but for somebody like her, I wonder if that also helps protect her edges through the race if that happened?
post #16 of 18

Is it possible the strips are for some other purpose? Edge dampening?

post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by oisin View Post
 

Is it possible the strips are for some other purpose? Edge dampening?

No!

post #18 of 18
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Something else I was thinking about too...

If I'm not careful ( and sometimes when I am ) in SL I'll jam my skis really close together and cut into the edge of the top sheet.

In my case it doesn't make much of a difference, but for somebody like her, I wonder if that also helps protect her edges through the race if that happened?

It's for the gates, If you shin 'em and your late the slap down HARD on top of your ski. 

 

I know, I am always late!:ROTF

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