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post #61 of 76

New England never, ever includes New York.

 

I'm officially in favor of errecting a fence to keep out New Yorkers. They can keep southwest Connecticut. We don't want it.

 

 

post #62 of 76

 

Originally Posted by bliz1978 View Post
 

New England never, ever includes New York.

 

I'm officially in favor of errecting a fence to keep out New Yorkers. They can keep southwest Connecticut. We don't want it.

 

 

 

 

Ahhh the United States of America.  Gotta love it.

post #63 of 76
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Originally Posted by bliz1978 View Post
 

New England never, ever includes New York.

 

I'm officially in favor of errecting a fence to keep out New Yorkers. They can keep southwest Connecticut. We don't want it.

 

 

 

 

Well if you're going to say that, you should qualify it like a non-New-Yorker and state that the term "New York" only describes the portion of New York south of Yonkers (maybe White Plains).

post #64 of 76
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NY does not tax federal income (like SS or federal pensions) or NY pension income.  As a retired federal worker and with my wife receiving a NY teacher's pension, this means almost all our income is not taxed.

 




Sounds like, you want to find a town in NY on the VT state line. Then you can hope over to VT to get cheaper gas prices. I seem to recall NY state has high gas prices.
post #65 of 76
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Originally Posted by AmmergauerTele View Post
 

I would  be reluctant to go on the I-93 side of NH.  Go to the North Conway side of NH.  Personally I think there is a lot more to do there.  

 

Those who live on the North Conway side do have a lot more to do - like sit in traffic.  Dreadful. 

 

The billboards too.  Plenty to read.

 

Inexpensive motels though... when you want to visit or shop.

post #66 of 76

Not gonna deny the traffic issues but if you are in Jackson you are on the other side of it and won't have to deal with it much.  Ditto with shopping.  Billboards…..don't see too many of those in the White Mtn National Forest……which is adjacent to Jackson, NH.  I'm not saying to relocate right on Route 16 in N Conway proper….

post #67 of 76
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Originally Posted by freeski919 View Post
 

 

You got your descriptions of Burlington and Montpelier backwards. Chittenden county is the most expensive place to live in Vermont. Higher property prices, higher property taxes, higher cost of living. Having lived here for a number of years, I long for the less expensive charms of Waterbury or Montpelier. And Burlington is gritty? More like crunchy, as in granola hippie crunchy. Yes, there is a bit of dirt under Burlington's fingernails (I know it well, I run a homeless shelter in Burlington). But Montpelier/Barre have the same problems, without the same resources. Burlington is also more like 45 minutes to an hour from Stowe, Smuggs, and Sugarbush. 

 

Your description of Rutland is spot on however. 

I'll defer to your experience. Have only spent a little time in each place, guess I hit a less affluent part of Burlington and a very granola part of Montpellier, right down to the organic restaurant. 

post #68 of 76
Thread Starter 

Bumping this thread in case there's anyone out there with a still-burning desire to further debate what the official cultural and geographic definition of "New England" is and what the requirements for official NE residency status are . . .

 

OK, the real reason for the bump is to ask about the Northeast Kingdom of VT and specifically, the area near Burke Mountain. The area seems to fit what I'm looking for pretty nicely, which is generally:

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1) Location must be somewhere in NE (or northern NY) within approx 20 - 30 mins of decent eastern skiing, defined as a resort offering a minimum of 250 skiable acres and 1,500 vertical feet;

2) Must offer reasonable access for summer activities such as hiking, kayaking, fishing and biking;

3) Real estate costs must be manageable, meaning that there must be reasonably priced (< $100k) and sized (2+ ac) building lots available within the travel zone mentioned in (1) above.

 

I've skied most of the VT areas but unfortunately not Burke, so that's really what my query is about. On paper, the ski area fills the bill nicely with just over 2,000 vertical feet and 250 skiable acres. Burke claims to average about 200" of snow each season but also has pretty extensive (80%) snowmaking coverage. Though it's a smaller area, it appears to have a good mix of terrain with some gladed areas to boot. Are these impressions on target?

 

While I'm asking for general feedback and information on the Q Burke Mountain Ski Resort and the surrounding NEK area, I do have one very specific question: Can someone tell me what the "Q" in "Q Burke Mountain" stands for?

post #69 of 76
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Originally Posted by CharlieRN View Post
 

Bumping this thread in case there's anyone out there with a still-burning desire to further debate what the official cultural and geographic definition of "New England" is and what the requirements for official NE residency status are . . .

 

OK, the real reason for the bump is to ask about the Northeast Kingdom of VT and specifically, the area near Burke Mountain. The area seems to fit what I'm looking for pretty nicely, which is generally:

 

I've skied most of the VT areas but unfortunately not Burke, so that's really what my query is about. On paper, the ski area fills the bill nicely with just over 2,000 vertical feet and 250 skiable acres. Burke claims to average about 200" of snow each season but also has pretty extensive (80%) snowmaking coverage. Though it's a smaller area, it appears to have a good mix of terrain with some gladed areas to boot. Are these impressions on target?

 

While I'm asking for general feedback and information on the Q Burke Mountain Ski Resort and the surrounding NEK area, I do have one very specific question: Can someone tell me what the "Q" in "Q Burke Mountain" stands for?

 

Last question first: The Q stands for Quiroz, as in Ariel Quiroz, the man who bought Burke a few years back along with Bill Stenger, the owner of Jay Peak.  

 

More broadly, I would generally be wary of hitching my wagon to closely to Burke.  Despite being a substantial mountain close to I-91, it is unfortunately located several exits past the major resorts for those coming from Boston (mostly stop in NH or keep on trucking up I-89 to NoVT) or Southern NE/NY (almost all of whom get off I-91 in SoVT or maybe dribble up I-89 to NoVT). Partly as a result, Burke has been in and out of owners/bankruptcy many times over the years.  So yes you get to be in the NEK with all of the outdoors benefits that comes with, but you are tied to a less stable mtn situation and add an hour to your trip back/forth to Philly.  Though Quiroz and Stenger are probably the best capitalized owners Burke has had in a long time, they have a lot of local detractors as well.  

 

As someone who has skied in VT and throughout New England/Upstate NY for nearly 40 years, I'd strongly recommend considering the other northern VT areas some have mentioned here.  Generally you will find expensive more real estate on the East side of the Green Mtn spine where most of the big resort base areas are (Stowe, SB, MRG) and then again on the West side of the spine as you get closer to Burlington.  There is a Goldilocks zone in between those areas where you can have quick 15-20 min access to the great resorts on the West side of the Spine (Smuggs, Bolton) with perhaps a 45 min ride to the bigger/glitzier hills on the other side.  Waterbury is a fantastic suggestion - probably best situated of all the towns mentioned this far.  Other ideas in that same vein would be smaller, more rural towns like Lincoln, Starksboro, Bolton, Huntington, Underhill and Cambridge (see red circled area on the attached map).  That would allow you to strike an attractive balance between low real estate costs, quick access to the best snow/ski mountains in the East, and easy access to the larger pool of employment opportunities in the Burlington metro area.  Also gets you back to Philly pretty quickly compared to pretty much anywhere else in New England ski country.

 

I'm not as familiar with the towns surrounding Gore and Whiteface, though suspect that both are good options as well for what you're trying to solve for, with the possible exception of employment opportunities - BTV/MSP corridor is likely unrivaled within Northeastern ski country.  Either way, best of luck - it's a great choice to have to make in the first place.

post #70 of 76
Burke is a cool town for mountain biking in the summer and the ski hill is legit. But the jury is still out on the Qs, father and son. Son runs the mountain. I'm probably in the minority but I think Jay's village is tacky and poorly planned. The hill is great though.

So not sure what Burke will look like when they are done. Could be a white elephant.
Or could be great.
post #71 of 76
Thread Starter 

Great feedback TinWoodsman, appreciate it. Will take a closer look at the areas you suggest. Though the Adirondacks are attractive for a variety of reasons, one big negative is snow. Whiteface especially seems to have poor conditions frequently and also seems to often miss out on many of the Nor' Easters that make there way up from the coast. I've essentially ruled NY (and NH) out and am concentrating on VT.

 

The feedback about Burke is very welcome. I knew that there was a tie-in with Jay, but what I read said something like it was purchased by "nearby Jay Peak." I know the first part of that was just a bit off the mark (55 miles away!) and now I know that Jay Peak is just a part owner. I've read that there are plans for significant investment in Jay but don't know if a) that is real and b) if it means that Burke will also see something. As JonD9(9 points out, Burke could wind up being great - or not.

 

Thanks again.

post #72 of 76

I've skied most of the VT areas but unfortunately not Burke, so that's really what my query is about. On paper, the ski area fills the bill nicely with just over 2,000 vertical feet and 250 skiable acres. Burke claims to average about 200" of snow each season but also has pretty extensive (80%) snowmaking coverage. Though it's a smaller area, it appears to have a good mix of terrain with some gladed areas to boot. Are these impressions on target?

 

While I'm asking for general feedback and information on the Q Burke Mountain Ski Resort and the surrounding NEK area, I do have one very specific question: Can someone tell me what the "Q" in "Q Burke Mountain" stands for?

 

On the Q-Burke thing, here are 439 pages of skier talk on the developments at Burke.  It gives you an idea of what's up with the Q, and how people are responding.

http://forums.alpinezone.com/showthread.php/113814-Big-Burke-announcement

post #73 of 76

Burke is mostly intermediate with no real challenging trails.  However, the glades are excellent.  Pro, cute little town and close to a larger town, Lyndonville. Con, "nearby" (OK an hour's drive) Jay Peak gets a lot more snow.

post #74 of 76
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post
 

 

On the Q-Burke thing, here are 439 pages of skier talk on the developments at Burke.  It gives you an idea of what's up with the Q, and how people are responding.

http://forums.alpinezone.com/showthread.php/113814-Big-Burke-announcement


Thanks for the alpinezone forum link. It's one hell of a thread and I'm really looking forward to reading all 439 pages!

Here's a small sample of what I've gathered so far:

  • There is massive new construction at Burke and elsewhere in the NEK due to Burke, with new ground being broken almost daily (or not):
  • All of this construction has or will result in 6,000 new jobs in the area (or not);
  • Half of the new jobs are going to H-1B visa holders and not VT natives (or maybe not);
  • Millions of dollars will be invested in new snow making equipment for Burke Mtn - but that money may have been diverted for other nefarious purposes (or not);
  • The only new equipment will be snow guns that will be owned by Burke Mtn Academy and will be used only on slopes for Academy racers (or not);
  • Work on the previously half-finished hotel and conference center at Burke is now going on at feverish pace which will allow the hotel to open on 15 July (or not);
  • Work on the hotel has stopped completely due to an investigation by the state of VT into "irregularities" but maybe there is way to continue construction during the investigation (or not);
  • Ariel Quiroz (Q) has kicked the construction of the hotel into high gear, with "anywhere from 300 construction workers (plus) onsite daily to keep our target opening date of December 11th." (wait, I thought it was 15 July - oh I remember now, work is stopped due to the investigation, right?);
  • Q and his partners made everyone who wanted to watch the 4th of July fireworks - to take place with the half-finished hotel/conference center/aquatic exhibition as a backdrop - sit in the rain because they wouldn't delay things until the storm was over.

And I got all of this reading only 10 pages!

 

Seriously, it seems like there is a lot of drama in the NEK. What's really happening up around Burke? It looks like it and Jay will either become modern, 21st century ski resorts or go bust, taking a lot of investor cash in the process.

post #75 of 76

Lol.  That thread is kept alive by just a few local zealots that love to speculate on the area's intrigues on a seemingly daily basis.  Jay Peak is already a good sized and modern destination resort with not a lot going on outside of what is at the mountain.  Burke has always struggled to stay afloat and for one reason or another is an area most folks seem to just drive by on their way to other resorts.

post #76 of 76
Burke has some good sustained steeps and decent vertical. Not a lot of bumps. Not sure why it doesn't get the Jay snow.

Stenger is legit. The Qs, who knows. They renamed Burke with their silly Q. not a great start. Lady in the ski shop said everyone was asking for gear with the old name and logo (which is cool). She said someone offered the Qs $50k (maybe it was $20k) to change it back no strings attached and they declined.
Edited by JonD999 - 7/8/15 at 2:24pm
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