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post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
Is it usual to feel worse after a massage than before?

My firm offered what sounded like a great tax season benefit this week. A 20 minute massage for any that wanted to take advantage. I thought great! Never had a massage, and thought it would be a good way to relieve some of the strain of being cooped up at a desk for too many hours.

I ended up with the last appointment of the day and watched those that went before me come back proclaiming how good they felt.

I got off the table thinking---What is the big deal? Yea it was relaxing at the time, but hardly something to rave about.

Well, within an hour, every muscle in my back and shoulders were complaining and loudly, I might add.

I have not had any lower back pain since I gave up sitting on a wallet a few years ago. My lower back is killing me right now.

I injured my shoulder in early January, I told the masseuse (sp) that before I got on the table, so she seemed to avoid working on that too much.

When I tried to do my shoulder excercises tonight, I had to back off on the weight because it hurt. Has not hurt in a few weeks.

Hopefully these are just temporary.

Any thoughts?
post #2 of 25
NO!!!! Most massage therapists know the origins and insertions of a muscle. But if they do not, they can actually cause damage by starting the massage in the wrong place. Find out how others felt!
post #3 of 25
Thread Starter 
Well that turned out to be temporary.

This AM everthing is back to normal.

I think I will pass if offered again.
post #4 of 25
my massuse always warns me not to get a massage BEFORE skiing, as alot of muscles are loose and relaxed, she even tells me to be careful getting off the table!

you aught to give it another shot...in time it will feel great. dont let one bad experience ruin it for you...its great stuff!
post #5 of 25
Some massage therapists know how to work with the general population, but not with someone with an injury. Keep in mind, that even if you have just a shoulder injury, there are other patterns of injured tissue in the body that come about as a result.

Try it again, but perhaps with someone more qualified!

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ March 08, 2002 03:30 PM: Message edited 1 time, by Lisamarie ]</font>
post #6 of 25
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by skier_j:
Is it usual to feel worse after a massage than before?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

actually, the first time I had a massage I was warned that I may be sore afterwards, even the next day, and I was. when I called her I got an "i told you so" (she got away with that, as shes my best friend, too..) but she did say that the next wouldn't be so bad, and she was right! believe it or not it may mean she actually did some good!

regarding injury, it depends on the type of injury you have. massage is good and even reccomended as soon as immediately after surgery, in some cases. in other instances it is contraindicative. A good massage therapist knows when and where. a twenty minute massage after many clients would not include targeting injured areas, espescially a freebee intro to massage type thing.

Go to another certified therapist, and ask the questions, but IMHO, massage is one of the BEST things for all sorts of problems, and well worth the time and $
post #7 of 25
Many of the people who do office massage are "newbies" to their industry and trying to build a clientel. Although some people may be sore after a massage,what you are describing goes beyond the range of just sore. A good idea would be to have your physical therapist help you find a massage therapist. Good luck!
post #8 of 25
how bad could it have been if it were gone the next morning?

you know lisamarie, not only are you a fitness instructor, but you are also an orthopedic surgeon, a ski instructor, a relationship councilor, a psycologist, an anger management specialist, center of the universe, not to mention hyperflexible and hypermobile and NOW you are also a massage therapist.

WOW. I wish I could be as diverse and talented as you. maybe someday.......
post #9 of 25
deep tissue massage can bring up toxins in the muscles, deposit them into the bloodstream, causing soreness. KIND OF a lactic acid affect. rather odd though. still, feasible. in a way, especially with an "active" practitioner - and especially with deep tissue-type work - it is a kind of workout; the soreness not so unusual. i have chronically tight hamstrings. days after a night's serious stretch routine, my hammies can be very tender.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ March 08, 2002 03:17 PM: Message edited 1 time, by ryan ]</font>
post #10 of 25
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LindaA:
how bad could it have been if it were gone the next morning?

you know lisamarie, not only are you a fitness instructor, but you are also an orthopedic surgeon, a ski instructor, a relationship councilor, a psycologist, an anger management specialist, center of the universe, not to mention hyperflexible and hypermobile and NOW you are also a massage therapist.

WOW. I wish I could be as diverse and talented as you. maybe someday.......
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Linda what the HECK is your problem?????

: I have never claimed to be any of the things that you mentioned, {except for a hypermobile fitness instructor} and besides, this thread was not meant as any sort of insult towards you. MY GOD!!! Every post I write nowadays, I have to deal with a sobbing Linda A thinking that I am launching a personal attack on her. Grow up for goodness sakes, and stop making such a fool of yourself! Talk about someone thinking that they are the center of the universe, GEEZ!!

fYI, fitness instructors who take their education beyond step choreography are expected to have some understanding of health related fields. That does NOT imply I'm a self proclaimed expert! If someone chooses to talk about post massage pain on the internet, I assume it has to do with more than toxin release, otherwise it would not be worth talking about!

And before you flame me one more time perhaps you had better read this thread! http://www.epicski.com/cgi-bin/ultim...c&f=2&t=003112

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ March 08, 2002 11:31 PM: Message edited 2 times, by Lisamarie ]</font>
post #11 of 25
Thread Starter 
Well I learned something here.

I never had a massage so I did not know what to expect either during or after. The massuse did say to drink a lot of water to help rid you of the toxins---Ryans point. She also helped me get up and off the table when she was done, I thought that a bit odd at the time but Linda made the same comment in one of her answers.

It stands to reason that soreness might be a by product of a massage---especially the first one.

Lisamarie raises the "newbies" point, I have no answer to that but I will take her advice to ask my physical therapist for a referral if I decide to do this again sometime.

I was concerned about my lower back, have not had any problems there in many years, but it responded well to the old routine---crank up the water bed heater and go to bed early. (I know the temp won't go up fast enough to make a difference---but the mind thinks it did)

The only thing left is my shoulder and that also feels much better tonight, just finished my routine without incident.

Thank you all for your responses

J
post #12 of 25
skier_j:

hope this doesnt turn you against massage therapy. it is really AWESOME stuff after skiing.

LM

thank you so much for the suggested reading. Does this mean you are leaving? [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #13 of 25
No such luck, Linda! [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #14 of 25
Ah, skierj! You went about this the wrong way! Never ask an accomplished health and fitness professional for advice! Always ask some whiny little girl who belongs back in the sandbox!

While muscular pain may happen after deep tissue massage, a 20 minute office massage is not a deep tissue massage! None of us were there, so we don't know what the massage entailed. Perhaps the therapist focused too much on one area, and not on others.

Lisamarie, I find your contributions to this forum incredibly valuable. By coincidence, my girlfriend saw your profile photo. She takes a class with you in Cambridge, and confirms that you are a highly talented and knowlegeable instructor!

Please do not let yourself be pushed around by people who have nothing more than a few insults to contribute to this forum!
post #15 of 25
Damn.
post #16 of 25
Like I said, do not let this petulant child push you around!
post #17 of 25
OK, Patrick, I nominate you president of the Lisamarie fan club.

You know, i dont usually participate in flame wars, and actually, avoid them like the plague. but I have been in this forum for almost a year, and for all that time, I cannot make a statement without being contradicted or belittled, usually in the very next post. And it always comes from the same source.

I thought this forum was a great place, love the ideas and support I received from many of the members. I met my extremely significant other on this site. its been an extremely good time.

i Im not sure what I did to offend her, but its really too bad that one person, for reasons unbeknownst to me chose to ruin it for me.


so now I leave you all to continue to worship and pay homage to your Fitness (and everything else) Goddess....

bye now!!!
post #18 of 25
Thread Starter 
Linda

Chill please!

I know it is difficult to get through a ski season without being able to pasrticipate. On a scale of 1 to 10 your injury is somewhere around a 7 or 8 and mine is about a 2. I cannot imagine working through an 8.

Analyse for a moment. Were Lisamarie's comments incorrect? I doubt it. Were they incincere? Definately not. Were they conservative? Yes. We all know that diagnosis over the internet is risky.

Were they useful? Of course!

As were your comments!

So lets stop this nonsense now. It serves no purpose.

Thanks

J
post #19 of 25
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by skier_j:
So lets stop this nonsense now. It serves no purpose.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Skier_J,
I must protest in the strongest way possible!
How can you say a thread is nonsense before I have posted to it?

Now it is nonsense.

But, more seriously, if I were to list LMs qualities, they would include:
Physical Trainer (that's her job, as far as I know)
Ski instructor (we can all learn from each other)
Relationship councilor (well, based on the PMs)
Psychologist (she's read my mind a few times, although that admitedly doesn't take too long)
Anger management consultant (has calmed down a few heated threads)

But, she is not the centre of the universe, because I proved on another thread that I was.


As for your massage problem, I know a girl in Belfast who can make you feel really relaxed... [img]smile.gif[/img]
PM me for her number


S
post #20 of 25
Fox, I love you!! Promise you will never leave us!
post #21 of 25
Pssst. LM. Is Mark around?

Fox is blushing, and grinning!

I was trying to find the proof I had made about me being the centre of the universe, but it was in a deleted thread.
So, for those who don't believe me...
Here are some facts:
I am a reasonably constant size, OK, my gut is increasing, but not at a high rate. So, it would be possible to calulate my volume, which would be a finite value greater than zero. (and since I exist, it must be greater than zero, I think) (and if I think, therefore I am)
Density = Mass/Volume, so Mass = Density x Volume
Sir Isaac Newton came up with the Universal law of Gravitation, such that

Now comes the interesting bit: many on this forum would say that I am infinitely stupid, or dense. So, if my density = infinity, then my mass must also be infinite, since my volume is finite.
So, this being the case, the gravitational force created by me due to my infinite mass, acting on any other body in the universe will be such that the body will be pulled in to orbit around me.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum: The universe revolves around me.


S
post #22 of 25
Thread Starter 
WTFH

I stand corrected [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #23 of 25
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LindaA:
You know, i dont usually participate in flame wars, and actually, avoid them like the plague. but I have been in this forum for almost a year, and for all that time, I cannot make a statement without being contradicted or belittled, usually in the very next post. And it always comes from the same source.

I thought this forum was a great place, love the ideas and support I received from many of the members. I met my extremely significant other on this site. its been an extremely good time.

i Im not sure what I did to offend her, but its really too bad that one person, for reasons unbeknownst to me chose to ruin it for me.


so now I leave you all to continue to worship and pay homage to your Fitness (and everything else) Goddess....

bye now!!!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


oh puleesse.... I"m new here, and don't really know or care about the female "players" but... geez, grow up a little.

just to stay on topic, I love my maddage therapists. I had one at the births of each of my kids too... nothing like a few cervical pressure points to hasten dilation.

ooh, that rhymes, too!!

Irulan
post #24 of 25
Irulan,
I don't mean this as a criticism, so, please don't be offended, but I don't need to know about childbirth and I never intend to have children (but let's not go into my reasons).
But, congratulations on your children, and may you bring them up healthy, wealthy and wise.

I've never felt worse after a massage, OK, maybe for the first few minutes, but generally within a half hour, I'm so relaxed.

So, Skier_J, how do you feel? Still sore?


S
post #25 of 25
MEOOOOOOOOOOW! This is the best reading I have done today! Thanks for making me laugh.
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