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Hello everyone, I am a Chinese skier and wanting to know the situation of 'private coach' in ski resorts all over the world

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Hello to all skiers in the world

 

I'm here asking for a little help.

 

the skiing industry in China is growing fast these years than before along with many problems. Today I see a topic in Chinese skiing forum concerning about 'private coach' which is not welcomed by the ski resort. In the video attached in the topic, I see the private coach is training one student in the video, and then stopped by the patrol. After some quarrel, the patrol and workers of the ski resort beat the private and his student with punch and skis. This thing is very bad and causes very negative effects among Chinese public skiers. Of course the one who hurt others must be punished.

 

So I just want to know how the ski resort treat and regulate private coach in your countries, Is this teaching behavior accepted? Or is there some rules for private coaching? If so, HOW THE SKI RESORTS DEFINING PRIVATE COACH AND HOW THEY MAKE SURE THAT SOME ONE IS A PRIVATE COACH.

 

Thanks very much, the skiers in China are waiting for the response. I think there must be international conventions on this issue.

 

China is now run for the 2022 winter olympics, the skiing and snowboarding will be very popular in the following years

 

I love skiing!

post #2 of 13

Hello,

 

People may have overlooked your post. There's a conversation about this video here: 

http://www.epicski.com/t/132677/you-think-us-ski-resorts-are-strict-with-outside-instructors

 

In the US, ski resorts do not allow instructors to teach unless the instructor is affiliated with the resort. However, I don't imagine there's anywhere in the world where it would be acceptable for this to end in a fist fight or a beat down.

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If you wish to teach skiing in the US, you need to be employed by the resort, UNLESS you come with a tour group that has made arrangements with the resort to use their own instructor in advance.

To get a job teaching AT the resort may not be hard, but without PSIA credentials, more than likely, you'll be teaching little kids until you acquire the credentials. You'll also need a Visa that gives you permission to work in this country.

Here, should they see you teaching, technically they could pull your ticket. But, I'm not sure that they would if it wasn't obvious AND if you came with a special group. However, you would not be allowed to set up shop offering your services on the slopes. I can't imagine anyone beating you up, especially as a foreign visitor. I think if you were argumentative or a repeat offender, at some point you could get quietly arrested.
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@Little Bear While it is true that private coaches are not "allowed" at US resorts, I don't think that's absolutely true in Europe. Usula knows or maybe some of the other folks in Europe can respond. In the US and also Europe I imagine, people can and do "teach" their friends and relatives all the time and that's not a problem, as long as they are doing it for free.
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Today I see a topic in Chinese skiing forum concerning about 'private coach' which is not welcomed by the ski resort. In the video attached in the topic, I see the private coach is training one student in the video, and then stopped by the patrol. After some quarrel, the patrol and workers of the ski resort beat the private and his student with punch and skis.

There's no evidence that he is one as far as I know, has there been any new development?

I know of at least two independent ski schools around here, not sure what sort of arrangement they have with the hills they teach on.
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What about private guides? For example, is there craigslist ads at different resorts for vacationers to hire to show them around the mountain without any teaching for a price? Is this illegal?

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Most of the larger resorts have guides doing that for free. Here they are called Ambassadors and take tours out twice a day. Why would someone pay?
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Most of the larger resorts have guides doing that for free. Here they are called Ambassadors and take tours out twice a day. Why would someone pay?

 

I always thought of those as very generic tours ie. this chair takes you to mid mountain and this one takes you to the top. Ive never done one so please enlighten me if it is more than just how to navigate the mountain as an intermediate. Do they break up the tours by skill level?

 

I'm talking about finding the nooks and crannies, powder stashes, etc...

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They definitely break them up by skill level. However, while they may take you to terrain that interests you, it is not likely they will conduct you down it HERE. They used to actually ski some of it years ago, and they may have restarted, but at one time they stopped. Something to do with competing with ski school. However, I don't think they are jumping into NBC with you.

However, there is little here that can't be seen or showed on a tour. And, there are no crevasse issues, etc., like in Europe. You do not need a paid guide here.

As for stashes, I think I gave away plenty in my Locals Guide. And this year, there aren't any.

As to other mountains, I'd guess those mountains would need to tell you. I just know I've had tours several times over the years and the topic has come up here on Epic. But as to broken up by skill level, I would think they would all do it.
post #11 of 13
As far as the ambassadors/tours go, although they know the whole mountain its unlikely they'll be allowed to take you off piste or even to any double black terrain or through any gate. They may point them out and explain good runs over there and over there, but can't take you off piste. at best they may say hey after the session let me switch jackets then we can meet up. So that's where a guide comes in, because offpiste and through gates and out of sight is where you need guidance id its tricky or sketchyand not sure if you will end up on a golf course or back at a lift. Of course this depends on the mountain if the terrain is hidden and tucked away or if its open and can be pointed out just from the piste and lifts.
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Seems like it would be a good business for a ski bum or early retiree. I'd pay $100 for a local to show me the goods when I visit a new place where inside knowledge would make a huge difference ie. Crested Butte, Whistler, Revelstoke, JH, Telluride, Snowbird, Baker etc etc. Just not sure of the legalities?

 

ps Sorry for the thread drift

post #13 of 13
Not really thread drift as the resorts that do have such a large amt of hidden terrain do offer guides but booked through ski school and at same rate as private lesson.

So if you're hiring and paying someone offmtn you fall into the same grey area as the op. Are you really just friends and treating them to dinner and beer or is this really a transactional relationship. I'm sure there's some legal definitions and tests, like im sure the rules are well defined for the world's oldest profession, but its a grey area.
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