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post #1 of 17
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Need some advice- I am 50 yrs. old, 5'8", 195lbs. I would consider myself a firm Intermediate skier. I ski mainly in PA/WV, but take yearly trips to NY and VT. I begrudgingly ski moguls with my much more advanced 19 yr. old son, enjoy wider tree runs, and attack the groomers. Most of the time, especially here in Western PA, we are dealing with ice and crud. I will ski most diamonds, although sometimes with trepidation. I am skiing on rather old freestyle skis which do not want to bite into the ice. I was considering the Volkl AC 7.4, Blizzard Magnum 7.6 or K2 Rictors.  I am skiing 167-170, as I don't like much longer than that in the trees (tried skiing trees on 197s and spent more time in the trees than skiing them *LOL*) Most of these skis are on ebay for around $150-$200.

 

My son just got a new pair of K2 Moto GS, and looks like a whole different skier on the ice...

Any advice or opinions would be more than welcome!

 

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post #2 of 17

There are deals to be had on non FIS legal GS skis since they changed the requirements a couple seasons ago.  You can find some 21, 23, or 27 meter GS skis in about a 181 cm within that budget. 

post #3 of 17
Since you are a "firm intermediate" I would avoid race skis. And lower priced skis are likely to have enough days on them that they have lost some of that grip on ice you are looking for. I would bump your budget up and look for leftovers or lightly used demos. Deals on these should start to appear soon.
post #4 of 17

^^^ This. Put yourself on a rec race GS and you'll develop bad habits to compensate for its demands. Or put yourself in the ER when that tree doesn't get out of your way. Better to look for something in the 70's that's typically called a frontside carver. Most companies make these. Blizzard 800's, Head Rally's, Fischer Motive 76's come to mind. Look for demos. If you must stick with older used skis on fleabay, the Magnum 7.6 is the best you mention for your size and skill level. Get it in the low 170's; you'll bend a 167 like a pretzel. Also keep in mind that at your weight, a ski that's strong on ice, like we're talking about, will sink like a stone in soft snow in trees. I'd suggest going for a frontside carver, take some lessons, pick up a 100 mm ski in a year or two for soft snow. 

post #5 of 17
Not to be "that guy" but I have a pair of Kastle MX78's in the Classifieds that would be perfect for you.
post #6 of 17
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
 

^^^ This. Put yourself on a rec race GS and you'll develop bad habits to compensate for its demands. Or put yourself in the ER when that tree doesn't get out of your way.

Odd I was thinking a more demanding ski would force them to develop better technique and become a better overall skier:dunno

post #7 of 17

http://www.epicski.com/t/132646/fs-2011-atomic-d2-fis-sl-165-cm-350

 

Yes a race ski, SL.  165.    Don't be scared that you can't handle it (GS is another matter).  Radius is not the issue on SL skis, speed is.  If you like flying down a hill don't, otherwise it will be a blast.

post #8 of 17

For eastern ice I'd always say go shorter narrower but stiffer than most of what is recommended on this forum in general (although I support oldschoolskier's recommendation.)

post #9 of 17

I recently purchased a non FIS slalom ski, mostly to be able to do a lot of turns and work on technique.  Little did I know that it would end up being my favorite ski in the quiver.  I have a cheater gs ski as well.  While it is a great ski, the trail cannot have anyone on it because you hit mach2 after your second turn.  And they are not fun to just skid sideways when you need to scrub speed to avoid the people.  With the slalom ski you can squirt around people in a controlled manner; a lot safer and more fun.  Oh, and the slaloms really grip the skied off slopes like no other.  Usable in bumps as well.  

post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
 

^^^ This. Put yourself on a rec race GS and you'll develop bad habits to compensate for its demands. Or put yourself in the ER when that tree doesn't get out of your way.

Odd I was thinking a more demanding ski would force them to develop better technique and become a better overall skier:dunno

 

Totally disagree. I'm with @beyond.

 

Didn't really need a new post to say that, but from there we move to the tough-love reality of what most people really do, really want, really enjoy 99% of the time. Come on! All of you who are recommending race skis of any stripe! I'm getting out my Atomicman exclamation points! Maybe I should do all caps! Read between the lines a bit on the original post! Or just read the lines themselves, I guess. The OP is FAR from being an already-infected beer league racer wanting to move up the leaderboard. Nor is he someone like peterk123 who has caught the arced-turn bug. He wants a metal blade on that scraper he uses for his car windshield, not that old and dull plastic one.

 

Here is something I observe even among my casual night-league buddies - regular joes who are competent recreational skiers, but are not proficient carvers. Among the ones who have bought or otherwise owned either race skis or race carvers, half of them have either ditched them for narrow-ish all-mountain skis on race night, or immediately switch out of them and onto an all-mountain ski after the race. Race skis are simply not that fun to ski on if you're huckin' 'em sideways most of the time. JimH, RatherPlay, and beyond are pointing in the right direction here.

 

@Rob Merz, how often do you get your skis tuned?

post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by Rob Merz View Post
 

skis which do not want to bite into the ice. I was considering the Volkl AC 7.4, Blizzard Magnum 7.6 or K2 Rictors.  

 

All of those will work.    You want the softest.   As in "Only JUST stiff enough to not speed wobble".   And dampest because you will get coral reef, like we've been having in the evenings all this week.   But it doesn't really matter  - find the one with the least usage. 

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​tried skiing trees on 197s and spent more time in the trees than skiing them *LOL*) 

 

None of those are really a tree ski as the term 'tree ski' is meant on this board...the Rictors being IMO the nicest when you're skipping over tree roots onto the ice.     On this board 'tree ski' means turny powder floater.    You want a turny ice claw that can also release a turn. 

 

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Originally Posted by Rob Merz View Post
 

My son just got a new pair of K2 Moto GS, and looks like a whole different skier on the ice...

 

 

I suspect you mean new-to-him pair of Moto GS since they haven't been made in a long time - that IS a race ski of the type discussed above only a lot damper than most which is why it's so excellent for NYPAWV skiing. 

post #12 of 17
Thread Starter 

Probably right about the race skis, They are more my son's type of ski than mine. I usually tune them before our bigger weekend trips, or if the ice was really bad at 7 springs, which is usually always the case. I'd love to learn to at least wax them myself, and plan to eventually learn this art, but for now, I'll shell out the $40.  My super aggressive days are behind me, just don't want my son to have to wait for me, and really don't want to hear his harassment either *LOL*. I was at 1 time a very aggressive skier, but time and a lack of real practice have taken their toll and my confidence along with it. I'm comfortable in the trees at Holiday Valley (aren't many tree runs to speak of at 7 springs) but the moguls seem to shake my turning confidence, and if ice is thrown into the mix, it gets me rattled.

Our yearly trip to Vermont is always fun, and usually restores my confidence, but for what it's worth..the knowledge is still there, but the doubt does creep in. The main reason I'm looking used is it's hard to sell the spouse on a $400 and above ski sale for the 3-4 times we actually get out in the season.  Thank you all for your advice!

post #13 of 17
Thread Starter 


yep...new to him...They were actually in about as good of condition as I could possibly hope for...and yes, skiing in WV/PA/NY is rather icy experience, but the odds of ever getting out west to ski "snow" are very slim.

post #14 of 17
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post
 

 

All of those will work.    You want the softest.   As in "Only JUST stiff enough to not speed wobble".   And dampest because you will get coral reef, like we've been having in the evenings all this week.   But it doesn't really matter  - find the one with the least usage. 

 

None of those are really a tree ski as the term 'tree ski' is meant on this board...the Rictors being IMO the nicest when you're skipping over tree roots onto the ice.     On this board 'tree ski' means turny powder floater.    You want a turny ice claw that can also release a turn. 

 

 

I suspect you mean new-to-him pair of Moto GS since they haven't been made in a long time - that IS a race ski of the type discussed above only a lot damper than most which is why it's so excellent for NYPAWV skiing. 


Yes...your absolutely correct. In my many years of skiing western PA/WV/Western NY, I have probably never seen true powder!  I like the term "Ice Claw" as even the tree runs are icy! I started off many years ago on straight skis, and those planks bit into everything and rarely wobbled at speed. My current freestyles-bought them very used from a friend- wobble at speeds above a brisk walk, and really do not like to edge at all.  I have spent countless hours surfing the net to find good price-slightly used equipment that will suit my needs and wallet. Thank you for your advice!

post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by qcanoe View Post
 

 

Totally disagree. I'm with @beyond.

 

Didn't really need a new post to say that, but from there we move to the tough-love reality of what most people really do, really want, really enjoy 99% of the time. Come on! All of you who are recommending race skis of any stripe! I'm getting out my Atomicman exclamation points! Maybe I should do all caps! Read between the lines a bit on the original post! Or just read the lines themselves, I guess. The OP is FAR from being an already-infected beer league racer wanting to move up the leaderboard. Nor is he someone like peterk123 who has caught the arced-turn bug. He wants a metal blade on that scraper he uses for his car windshield, not that old and dull plastic one.

 

Here is something I observe even among my casual night-league buddies - regular joes who are competent recreational skiers, but are not proficient carvers. Among the ones who have bought or otherwise owned either race skis or race carvers, half of them have either ditched them for narrow-ish all-mountain skis on race night, or immediately switch out of them and onto an all-mountain ski after the race. Race skis are simply not that fun to ski on if you're huckin' 'em sideways most of the time. JimH, RatherPlay, and beyond are pointing in the right direction here.

 

@Rob Merz, how often do you get your skis tuned?


This would probably be a good description of me...started of many,many years ago on straight skis, which actually edged quite well in our awful conditions here in Western PA. I have no interest in top speeds. My concern with ice isn't so much on the groomers, but in the moguls where I am a little skiddish anyways! Carving the great wide opens aren't an issue, but my carving leaves a little to be desired in the bumps, which my son drags me into.

post #16 of 17
Q.E.D. on multiple levels.
post #17 of 17

Not clear to me...Do you want an ice carver for the time you stay on groomers or do you want a fronside all mountain that is better on ice than what you have?

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